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Was soll die Kirche tun?


"God should have made all men sailors. For it turns out that only drowning men can see him."
Leonard Cohen




Nützliche Bibelverse: Matthäus 18:15-17, Sprüche 27:5-6, Epheser 4:1-3


A Christian's job is to convince homosexual men & women that God still loves them and wants to have a personal relationship with them.



Meine Brüder, was nützt es, wenn einer sagt, er habe Glauben, aber es fehlen die Werke? Kann etwa der Glaube ihn retten? Wenn ein Bruder oder eine Schwester ohne Kleidung ist und ohne das tägliche Brot und einer von euch zu ihnen sagt: Geht in Frieden, wärmt und sättigt euch!, ihr gebt ihnen aber nicht, was sie zum Leben brauchen - was nützt das? So ist auch der Glaube für sich allein tot, wenn er nicht Werke vorzuweisen hat. (Jakobus 2:14-17, Einheitsübersetzung)



Wie sollte die Kirche mit dem Thema Homosexualität umgehen?

Für die Kirche sollte die Bibel eigentlich die unfehlbare Autorität sein. Das Ausleben von gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen ist dementsprechend Sünde - und nichts anderes sollte eine Kirche verbreiten. Allerdings gibt es durch Jesu Tod am Kreuz Hoffnung für alle Sünder. Gott liebt auch die Sünder und die Kirche sollte in Beispiel dieser Liebe sein. Homosexualität ist nicht besser und nicht schlechter als andere sexuelle Verfehlungen (inkl. Ehebruch, außerehelicher Sex usw.). Es reicht aber nicht, Homosexualität nur als Sünde abzustempeln - und damit die Menschen, die homosexuell leben. Die Kirche muss Menschen, die sich davon befreien wollen, auch unterstützen - mit all ihrer Liebe und über einen langen Zeitraum. Dafür ist es sehr hilfreich, wenn sie Mitarbeiter von Ex-Gay Ministries zu Schulungszwecken in die Gemeinde einlädt und über dieses Thema offen in der Gemeinde spricht. Allerdings ist auch Disziplin ein Ausdruck der göttlichen Liebe: wer sein homosexuelles Leben absolut nicht aufgeben will, muss auch mit entsprechenden disziplinarischen Maßnahmen zu rechnen haben.



"We talk a lot about loving sinners and wanting to win the world, but we expect them to wipe their feet before they come into church. We get angry before they smoke in the church bathroom. We don't understand when they say, "Right on" instead of "Amen". And wait till you hear the silence in the crowded fellowship hall when one of them uses a dirty word. The church must learn that she is not a Hotel for Saints but a Hospital for sinners." ("The Chronological Life of Christ", Mark E. Moore)

"Many of us, like the Pharisees, at best ignore the outcasts of our society and at worst continue to discriminate against them. We do well to consider substantially inreasing our spiritual, evangelistic, and social outreach to minorities, the homeless, prostitutes, addicts and pushers, gays and lesbians, AIDS victims, and the like, as well as to the more hidden outcasts such as divorcees, single parents, the elderly, white-collar alcoholics, and so on... We dare not join with sinners in their sinning, but we may well have to go places with them and encounter the world's wickedness in ways that the contemporary Pharisees in our churches will decry" (Blomberg)





HOMOPHOBIA

This is my first posting to the group "JASON". I felt that I needed to write something as I am seeing a growing trend towards homophobia and violence in society today.

Today, people use the word gay in phrases such as "school is gay," or "that song is gay," now that bothers me  because the term "GAY" is now being loosely used to describe more than the homosexual male.

Many homophobic's do not know anything about homosexuality, except that people who are "GAY" are attracted to the same sex. Some, say that they dislike homosexuals because their peers or society dislike them, even though these people concerned do not understand what it is to be homosexual.
Another concern to upright society is that homosexuals are not normal, that what they do is a perpetration against children. But why should homosexuals all be branded as pedophiles when the vast majority of homosexuals have nothing to do sexually with children. Prejudice and ignorance so often walk hand in hand with those who are for what ever reason full of their own self importance and righteousness.

 Does it really matter what a person's  sexuality actually is? Does it interfere with your life? When people use the word  "GAY" to describe a person or a certain thing have you noticed that most times it is to describe something negative, something they dislike or something they perceive as being bad? And, so often, these self same people defend themselves by suggesting that I am not homophobic, I have friends who are homosexual and I don't dislike them, as far as I am concerned they are good people.  But there again, why would you describe someone or something you dislike as  "GAY" when you are friends with a homosexual? Or are you really friends when actually you are not at all.

Often times people do not people see pass ones sexuality. Some people automatically think if you are not attracted to the opposite sex, you are  a freak or abnormal or even worse, you have no right to breath the same air as "STRAIGHT" people.

Being attracted to the same sex is not something you choose to do. If it were I am certain there would be less homosexuals in society than there is at this present point in time.

The question that goes through my mind is this, why should homosexuals have to be subjected to additional pressures and experience additional difficulties in life just because of who they are? "GAY" and through no
fault of their own.

I would far prefer to have someone who is open and honest (and including their sexuality)  than someone who remains closeted for fear of being exposed as someone who is  according to society less worthy of respect, love and acceptance than someone who is "STRAIGHT" and whose attitude and behavior is less than acceptable and that which portrays nothing less than a negative and wasted lifestyle. The difficulty as I see it given today?s homophobic stance is this,  how ca we expect your homosexuals, "GAYS," who
are in the closet to be themselves and produce the very best with their God given talents that may well benefit society in someway. The other point is this. How can we expect these self same people to be open, honest and peaceful within themselves given the fact that they are "GAY"?

The dictionary, describes the word "GAY" as meaning that a person is  happy or excited. This no longer reflects the persona of "GAY" people these days.
The pressure that homophobic society places on homosexuals/"GAYS" is totally unacceptable and biased in every conceiveable way. Such an attitude represents a terrible indictment on society at large and must be changed. both. Our children must understand that is  acceptable to be themselves without fear of prejudice or harm from other members in society. There is no way that our children or for that matter any member of society should feel threatened by or apprehensive with any segment in society at large.

 If you are wondering right now if I am gay, first ask yourself this , does it really matter? If it does matter, I think that the next question to ask is why does it matter. And this is where bias, lack of understanding about homosexuality and share prejudice creeps in. The following is a question I have asked many straight people, "why are you straight?" and the answer always remains the same, "I don't know, I just am." Ask someone who is  "GAY" why they are homosexual and the answer likewise remains the same, "I don't know, I just am."

Therefore, I think that the time has come for total acceptance of all people regardless of their race, color, sexuality, religion and so on, and reach out and accept one another as equals in the site of almighty God. After all said and done, it was Jesus Himself who said, "I JUDGE NO ONE," therefore,
why should we in society take on more authority than Jesus Himself had when He walked this earth?

Rev. Dr. Les Andrews DD



Man wirft mir vor, "homophob" zu sein. Wie reagiere ich darauf?

Heute wird einem gerne das Bild vermittelt, dass alle, die sich nicht für Homosexualität aussprechen, rückständig, rechtsradikal, fanatisch oder einfach "homophob" sind. Damit blockt man jedes Argument ab und schiebt den anderen in eine Schublade, in die er bestimmt nicht geh?rt

Man überschwemmt die Massen mit falschen Informationen (nach dem Motto: wenn man es oft genug wiederholt, glauben es die Leute schon!) und grenzt alle aus, die widersprechen. Und das mit voller Absicht.

Hat man eine Gruppe einmal als Gefahr dargestellt, ist der Schritt zur Kriminalisierung deren Aktionen nicht mehr weit ("Antidiskriminierungsgesetze", die es möglicherweise einmal auch einem Pfarrer verbieten, Homosexualit?t bzw. das Ausleben von gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen als Sünde zu bezeichnen und ihn vielleicht auch zwingen, Trauungen von gleichgeschlechtlichen Paaren vorzunehmen.).

Es bringt nichts, zu antworten: Nein ich bin nicht homophob. Beginne lieber eine sinnvolle Diskussion. Dieses Wort wurde vor gar nicht langer Zeit vom Psychologen George Weinberg geprägt.

Eine Phobie ist eine panische Angst davor, mit jemand (in diesem Fall mit Homosexuellen) in einem engen Raum zu sein. Sie zeigt sich in Panikattacken, Atemnot etc. Wenn man aber gerade zusammen mit Homosexuellen in einer Diskussionsrunde sitzt oder vielleicht selbst einmal homosexuell war, kann diese Bezeichnung wohl kaum zutreffen. Sie gibt zudem vor, dass der Grund für jede Kritik am Ausleben von gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen nur diskriminierend sein kann. Wir lehnen aber dies ab, weil wir der Bibel entnehmen, dass es sündhaft und unnatürlich ist. Die Menschen lieben wir weiterhin als unsere Schwestern und Brüder. Eine Diskriminierung - wie auch mit der Bezeichnung "homophob" - ist für uns genauso sündhaft und abzulehnen.

Zeige deine Liebe nicht nur mit Worten. Begegne Homosexuellen mit einer Liebe, die schwer zu leugnen ist. Einer Liebe, die den Spott der Gesellschaft erträgt und trotzdem an der Wahrheit festhält.

(Empfohlene Literatur: "Why You Can't Stay Silent" von Tom Minnery)





Wie spreche ich mit jemand, der gleichgeschlechtliche Neigungen hat, ohne ihn gleich zu verjagen?

Keinesfalls solltest du hingehen und sagen: "Hey, ich glaube, du bist schwul, stimmt's?".

Informiere dich zunächst über das Thema. Welche Faktoren können zur Homosexualität beitragen? Es geht nicht nur um die Sexualität an sich, sondern um die zugrunde liegenden Probleme. (Empfohlene Literatur: "You don't have to be gay" von Jeff Konrad). Jugendliche kannst du etwa auf bestimmte Verhaltensweisen ansprechen, die man bei ihnen beobachtet (Jungs, die dauernd bei Mädchen sitzen etwa). Fühlen sie sich in Gegenwart von anderen Jungs etwa nicht wohl/willkommen? Wie sieht es mit den Familienverhältnissen / dem gleichgeschlechtlichen Elternteil aus? Ist man mit der Person (Frau oder Mann) sehr vertraut, kann man auch versuchen, nach Vergangenem zu fragen (körperlicher, seelischer, verbaler, sexueller Missbrauch, Kindheit allgemein etc.) - verbunden mit dem Angebot, jederzeit für ein Gespräch bereit zu sein.



Toleranz?

Es gibt zwei typische Reaktionen, wenn Gespr?che auf das Thema Homosexualit?t kommen.

  1. Schweigen. Gründe hierfür: man befürchtet, den Vorwurf der "Diskriminierung" zu ernten oder in ein radikales Lager abgeschoben zu werden. Man denkt, man hätte nicht genügend Hintergrundwissen, um den Argumenten von Homosexuellen oder von schwulenfreundlichen Mitmenschen angemessen begegnen zu können. Das ist nicht nur Unsinn, sondern sogar gefährlich, da man hierbei der "Gay Propaganda" freie Bahn gewährt. Lesen Sie die betreffenden Stellen in der Bibel nach - und sch?men Sie sich nicht, einen klaren Standpunkt für biblische Werte einzunehmen! Informieren Sie sich! Lesen Sie Fachliteratur, fragen Sie bei Ex-Gay Ministries nach! Laden Sie Ex-Gays zu Seminaren und Informationsveranstaltungen ein!
  2. "Toleranz". Man will besonders "weltoffen" und "cool" gelten, oder gar "fortschrittlich" und gibt an, man h?tte ja gar nichts dagegen, wenn Schwule heiraten, Beziehungen eingehen, Sex miteinander haben usw. Sollen sie doch - wenn sie sich "lieben". Was kümmert es uns? Nun, fragt man bei solchen Menschen etwas genauer nach und erklärt ganz offen, dass man zum Thema Homosexualität nicht so einen lockeren Standpunkt hat sondern das Ausleben oder bewusste Inkaufnehmen homosexueller Versuchungen/Neigungen ablehnt, merkt man sehr schnell, dass es mit dieser Toleranz nicht weit her ist, sondern dass solche Menschen im Grunde ihres Herzens Homosexualität genauso ablehnen und nur zugunsten von aktiven Homosexuellen argumentieren, um "politisch korrekt" zu sein. Niemand w?nscht sich aber, dass sein eigenes Kind homosexuell wird. Und sehr schnell stellt man fest, dass auch diese Menschen Homosexualität als etwas Unnatürliches ablehnen. Dazu sollte man dann aber auch stehen - und nie vergessen, dass man nicht die Menschen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen ablehnt, sondern das, was sie tun oder vertreten.


 





"Don Quixote, Cervante's traurige Figur eines Ritters, traf in einem Dorf-Café eine junge Prostituierte. Die Menschen in diesem Dorf behandelten sie wie eine gewöhnliche Hure... Aber Don Quixote behandelte sie wie eine Lady und sagte ihr, dass sie tats?chlich eine edle Lady sei. Sie wurde Don Qixote's Dulcinea. Was er tat, war an die edle Frau zu appellieren, die tatsächlich im Inneren der Prostituierten versteckt war. Sie sah in seinen liebenden und Respekt-erfüllten Augen ein Abbild ihres wahren Selbst... Und so begann sie edel zu handeln; die Prostituierte wurde eine Lady, die Hure wurde eine Dulcinea." (J. Rinzema, The Sexual Revolution)


 








Don Baker erzählt von Jerry, einem Mann aus seiner Gemeinde, den er seelsorgerisch betreute und der Freiheit von der Homosexualität fand. Ihm wurde geholfen von Dan, den er im theologischen Seminar traf. Als Jerry schließlich Dan gestand, dass er ein praktizierender Homosexueller war, füllten sich Dan's Augen mit Tränen, Jerry's Schmerz wurde auf einen ihn liebenden Bruder übertragen. Obwohl er nichts über Homosexualität wusste, war Dan doch bereit, genug zu lernen, um helfen zu können. Er war Tag und Nacht für Jerry zu erreichen und Jerry stellte diese Ergebenheit wiederholt auf die Probe. Er rief an, wenn er wieder zurück in die Sünde gefallen war - manchmal mitten in der Nacht - und er war immer willkommen. Sie saßen oft schweigend zusammen und sahen einander an. Beide fingen dann an, zu weinen. Dan fragte: "Jerry, erkennst du an, dass das, was du getan hast, eine Sünde ist?" "Ja" antwortete Jerry dann... Dan fragte ihn dann, ob er Gott um Vergebung gebeten hat.... "Oh ja, immer wieder - so oft, dass ich mich schäme, immer wieder zu Ihm zurück zu kommen. Wie kann Er mir nur immer wieder vergeben?? Wie kann Er mich immer noch lieben?" Geduldig und liebevoll sah Dan dann in der Schrift nach, mit der Absicht, Jerry's Glauben wieder aufzubauen und ihn daran zu erinnern, dass seine Errettung davon abhing, was Jesus am Kalvarienberg getan hatte ... Und nicht davon, was Jerry getan hatte. Dies wurde Dutzende Male wiederholt, wobei die Versuchung bei Jerry nicht weniger wurde - und ebenso wenig die Ungeduld von Dan.

Dan schlug vor, dass Jerry ihn anrief, bevor er Sex hatte statt hinterher. Jerry entschied schließlich, das zu versuchen. Er sagte Dan, dass er müde und einsam war und dass er es nicht bekämpfen wolle. Er versuchte verzweifelt, Dan dazu zu bewegen, aufzulegen und schrie ihn schließlich an, er solle endlich sagen, was er sagen wolle, weil er gehen müsse. Er wusste, dass Dan und seine Frau Gäste beherbergten und erwartete, dass Dan es bei ihm aufgeben würde. Aber das tat er nicht. Stattdessen begann er zu beten und Gott fing an, Jerry's Herz weich zu machen. Dan fragte: "Nun, Jerry, willst du nun nach Hause gehen?" "Ich wünschte, das wäre so einfach," sagte Jerry leise. "Ich wünschte, ich könnte nach Hause gehen. Ich wünschte, ich könnte dir versichern, dass ich nach Hause gehen werde - aber das kann ich nicht." Einmal mehr fragte Dan sanft aber bestimmt: "Jerry, wirst du nach Hause und ins Bett gehen?" Es gab eine langes Schweigen - gefolgt von einem tiefen Seufzer und einem leisen, aber bestimmten "Ja." Jerry ging nach Hause. (...) Zum ersten Mal hatte er die Macht dieser zwanghaften Versuchung gebrochen. Er hatte einen kleinen Schritt nach vorne gemacht. Er hatte Gott gehorcht und als er das tat, beruhigte Gott seinen wilden, unkontrollierbaren Drang nach Sex und er ging zu Bett und schlief  - einen tiefen, friedlichen Schlaf.? (Beyond Rejection)








Was sollte man nicht tun?

Ein Beispiel: Ex-Gays - also Homosexuelle, die sich davon befreien möchten - treffen sich in eurer Gemeinde zu Selbsthilfegruppen. Nun bekommt einer dieser Homosexuellen mit, wie über diese Gruppe (hinter deren Rücken) geredet wird:

Ein Bruder spricht einen anderen an und meint, es könne ja wohl nicht sein, dass die Gemeinde zum Treffpunkt von ehemaligen Homosexuellen wird.
Der andere antwortet, das sei nicht so schlimm. Sind ja nur ein paar.

Was ist daran falsch?

Eine ganze Menge. Zum einen sollte man nie hinter dem Rücken von jemanden reden. Menschen beklagen sich oft über andere - aber selten direkt bei denen, die es betrifft.

Dann: das ist genau das Pharisäertum, das Jesus in der Bibel beschreibt. Triff dich nicht mit Prostituierten. Mit Z?llnern. Oder Trinkern. Aber genau das hat Jesus getan - und den Pharisäern gesagt, dass genau diese Menschen ihn am n?tigsten haben!

Vielleicht ist genau das der Grund, warum viele Gemeinden nicht wachsen. Gott fügt Gemeinden neue Glieder hinzu - wenn sie nach Seinem Willen handeln. Vielleicht sollten wir mal wirklich nachdenken, warum so viele Menschen ihren Gemeinden den Rücken kehren oder erst gar nicht dahin gehen. Jesus hat uns gesagt, andere Menschen würden uns an unserem Verhalten untereinander und an unseren Früchten als Christen erkennen. Wenn das unsere Früchte sind...

Auch die Antwort des anderen Bruders spricht für sich: was w?re denn, wenn sich mehr in dieser Gemeinde treffen würden? Wenn es 500 wären? Wäre das dann so schlimm, weil die Gemeinde zum Treffpunkt für "Ex-Schwule" "verkommt"? NEIN!!! Genau das Gegenteil! Das wäre wunderbar! 500 Menschen, die zum Herrn wollen!

Eine Gemeinde darf nie zum religiösen Club verkommen, wo sich Menschen mit Anzug und Krawatte treffen, um sich gegenseitig zu zeigen, was für tolle Christen sie sind.

Eine Gemeinde sollte ein Ort der Liebe sein. Liebe unter den Geschwistern - aber auch Liebe für "die da draussen".

Denn darum geht's doch hier:

LIEBE.

Robert Gollwitzer











  • Jesus Himself said, "If you love me, you will obey what I command" (John 14:15) - the same Jesus that affirmed God's design for marriage (one man, one woman, for life) and condemned both divorce and adultery (Matthew 5 & 19).
  • The apostle John wrote, "If we claim to have fellowship with Him yet walk in darkness, we lie and do not live by the Truth. No one who continues to sin has either seen Him or known Him. He who does what is sinful is of the devil. No one who is born of God will continue to sin"




How to Love Homosexuals

(Part 1)

(This article is adapted and expanded from a workshop I taught at Saddleback Church's recent HIV/AIDS conference)

by Tim Wilkins

There is a form of love that is merely verbalized and nothing more. The words are as meaningless as the nauseating "no problem" often heard in the hospitality industry.

We cannot reach the homosexual until we first love the homosexual. One of W. E. Sangster's seven rules for personal evangelism was "Do not set out to make people good-love them."

No one has ever been argued out of homosexuality or into the Kingdom of God

I receive email from around the world-- much of it from men and women who not only suffer greatly from unwanted same-sex attractions, but from uncaring churches.

One such email came from a 19 year old man who lives in Singapore. Here's his email in his rough English.

r churches really against homosexuals

I am a gay n I left my church bcuz of many reasons, all the reasons r related 2 homosexuals.

reasons:

1st my paster went on stage n started insulting n joking abt homosexuals. every1 was laughing. I didnt think it was funny but I followed them and laugh cuz I don't 1 em 2 think I m a gay.

            2nd, my church brothers called me "a girl".

3rd, my sherperd, the person who taught me a lot of things on christianity when I joined the church call me "aqua" meaning gay. I was really hurt by that word. quite lot of people calls me that but I didnt expect my own sherperd 2 say such a thing 2 me. that's when I decided that I was borned without a soul n I was sent in2 this world 2 suffer. god never ever wanted me as his child.

Now I know that christianity is nver meant 4 me.

now the question that has been bothering me ever since I left is whether churches r really against homosexuals.

Thank u.


We live in denial if we dismiss this young man's pain-filled email with a glib "he misunderstands us Christians", or "he's too sensitive."

Loving Homosexuals Requires That You Have Experienced God's Love

It is impossible to express a love that you have not experienced. God says "I have loved you with an everlasting love." (Jer 31:3) And John the Apostle wrote "How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! " (I Jn 3:1)

God wants his love to be reciprocated, but he will not force us to love him. If you would love homosexuals best, you must love God most!

Dr. R. Albert Mohler, President of Southern Seminary writes "Evangelical Christians must ask ourselves some very hard questions, but the hardest may be this: Why is it that we have been so ineffective in reaching persons trapped in this particular pattern of sin?"

The atheist Voltaire may have had the answer. He wrote "If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed." Ouch!!

Rick Warren says it like this, "There are two basic reasons people don't know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. They have never met a Christian. They have met a Christian." Ouch again!!

Loving Homosexuals Requires Getting Right with God

You can be a Christian and still not be right with God.

A lady walked into a psychiatrist's office. She was wearing a strip of bacon over each ear and a poached egg on top of her head. As soon as she sat down, she struck a serious pose and said to the doctor, "I've come to talk to you about my brother-who has a problem."

Jesus said before you can remove the microscopic speck from your brother's eye, you need to eradicate the lumberyard from your own eye. (Loose translation of Matt 7)

A mother, father and their teenage son came to see me; the parents had learned their son had same-sex attractions by viewing the history on his computer-gay porn. One of the recommendations I made was to perform a DSL-ectomy on the home computer. Immediately the father became agitated saying "that's impossible, my work depends on it." I was not surprised to get a call from the son later that week. "I couldn't tell you the other day, but the reason dad became agitated at your suggestion to disconnect from the Internet is because I secretly know he has some sites he visits also."

Loving Homosexuals Requires Distinctive Qualities

Humility tops the list. A day after I hosted a TV show, I got a call from a pastor. "I saw you on TV last night. Do you find homosexuals in churches where you speak?" I replied, "I believe there are people with homosexual attractions in all churches." The pastor's proud and self-assured retort was, "Not in mine!"

Has it come to this? Do evangelicals pride themselves on the mistaken belief that their church has no one with homosexual attractions? Wake up and smell the latte!

Charles Spurgeon visited an affluent, aristocratic woman one day. He moved the conversation to sin and one's need of Christ. The woman said "Rev. Spurgeon-- I'll have you know I have not sinned in the last three weeks!" Spurgeon said "My, you must be awful proud of that" to which she answered "Indeed I am!"

Care is important. I had counseled Brandon for some time--every session a trying experience. He was haughty, arrogant, high-minded, caustic, and more abrasive than 40 grit sandpaper. On the morning of an appointment he left me a voice message "I don't think I need to see you anymore; this is not helping."

My first thought was "thank goodness that's over with!" But I realized my response was wrong and unbiblical. So I called him and left this message. "Brandon, I got your call and appreciate your honesty. I want you to know that if you ever need someone to scream at or curse, call me. You can say what you feel and I will listen."

A few minutes later Brandon called. He spoke haltingly, "Tim, this is Brandon. I got your message and was wondering if I could still make my appointment today?"

"Sure!"

Brandon walked in my office and sat down. I began, "Your initial message was that you did not want to continue, that this was not helping. What did I say in my message that changed your mind?"

Brandon's arrogance was gone. Unlike previous appointments, his demeanor was broken--his words sobering. "Tim, it's not so much what you said; it's because you care."

Warren Wiersbe writes "Lost sinners came to Jesus, not because He catered to them or compromised His message, but because He cared for them."

Empathy is "Direct identification with, understanding of, and vicarious experience of another person's situation, feelings, and motives." We often call it "walking in another man's shoes."

Kindness Mark Twain wrote, "Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see." (See Colossians 3:12)

Patience, gentleness and respect. "But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." (1 Pet 3:15) The episcopalian preacher Phillips Brooks wrote an "...element of a preacher's power is genuine respect for the people whom he preaches to."

Loving Homosexuals Requires Being Pro-Active

Many friends of homosexuals tell me "all I know to do is pray for her." I believe in prayer, but prayer is never an excuse for inaction! Love is a verb!

Have evangelicals forgotten that when Adam and Eve ate us out of house and home, God initiated a search and rescue mission-calling out to Adam, "Where are you?"

Are we inoculated against the miracle of the Incarnation- forgetting that God left the splendor of heaven for the stench of a cow stall-to become a man and dwell among us?

And have we underestimated the fact that nowhere in Scripture is God ever pictured in a hurry-except in Jesus' parable of the prodigal son? The father, who represents our Heavenly Father, races to the wayward son. (Luke 15)

Loving Homosexuals Requires Believing in Freedom from Homosexuality

A 'love' that rejects the reality of freedom should be considered "cruel and unusual punishment." A grace that forgives us of sin, but does not free us from sin is a grace not worth having. Individuals who hold to "once a homosexual, always a homosexual" should take Christ's words to heart--"You know neither the scripture nor the power of God." (Matt 22:29)

(Look for Part 2 tomorrow)



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How to Love Homosexuals

(Part 2)

(This article is adapted and expanded from a workshop I taught at Saddleback Church's recent HIV/AIDS conference)

by Tim Wilkins

Loving Homosexuals Requires Asking Their Forgiveness

I know what you're thinking "the writer of this article is crazy; why should I ask forgiveness from my gay family member? He's the one living in sin!"

Bear with me here.

Larry Burtoft writes "If the biblical and theological perspectives are right which see in homosexual behavior one of the myriad forms which human fallenness can take, then those engaged in such behavior deserve...the offer of divine forgiveness and healing which is available." I would add that evangelicals need to ask homosexuals' forgiveness for some inappropriate responses we have made to this issue. Note I said "responses" not "beliefs."

This recommendation is often met with incredulity. Take a spiritual inventory. When you first learned that a friend or family member was homosexual, did you curse them? Did you scream at them? Did you use any language unbecoming a Christian? Did you condemn them? Did you entertain the thought "I'm glad I'm not like him." Did you gloat? Did you feel yourself to be holier than him?

If you did any of the above things, you have sinned against God and homosexuals and need forgiveness. First, go to God and ask His forgiveness. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1 Jn 1:9)

Then go to the homosexual and ask her forgiveness. No emails or letters; this needs to be face-to-face or if distance is an issue, make a phone call. Here's an example of what to say. "When I learned of your same-sex attractions, I said some angry things I should not have. While I still hold to my beliefs on the issue, I ask your forgiveness for the mean-spirited remarks I made. Would you please forgive me?"

At this point you wait for them to say "I forgive you." If they will not forgive you or take the conversation in another direction, remain polite and respectful. Remember, you are not asking forgiveness in order to gain a confession of sin from them. Your request for forgiveness needs to be personal, brief and sincere.

You are not responsible for how they treat you; you are responsible for how you treat them!

In preparation for a speaking engagement at a major university, I encouraged the inviting organization to run an ad in the student newspaper. I wrote the following ad which they ran.

Apology to Gays Overdue (that headline caught attention)

While we have clearly communicated our beliefs about homosexuality, we confess we have not always done so with humility. Our conspicuous, self-righteous attitudes have contradicted the very message we proclaim. We have regularly emphasized truth to the neglect of love. Often our desire to be right has overshadowed our responsibility to be respectful.

We confess that we are sinners in need of God's grace, that the way we live our lives has not always matched what we confess with our lips. We confess that although all of us are created in God's image, that image has been marred by our own deliberate sin against our Creator and we long to be remade in His image through the atoning death of Jesus Christ.

Thus we apologize for the way in which we have addressed this issue. We ask your forgiveness and commit ourselves to build bridges of friendship based on human dignity rather than human sexuality.

(The date and time of my speaking followed.)

Loving Homosexuals Requires More Than Words

1 John 3:18 reads "Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth." (Emphasis added)

When a friend or family member of a homosexual contacts me, an initial question is "what do I tell him so he will leave this lifestyle?" As if there is a magic set of words that will do the trick.

In 1979 Adrian Rogers was elected as President of the Southern Baptist Convention. He could have run for re-election in 1980, but chose not to. When asked by a reporter why he was not running for a second term, Rogers said God told him not to. The reporter then asked "Did God speak to you in an audible voice?" Adrian Rogers revealed one of God's attributes when he answered "No, It was louder than that!"

If God can speak in inaudible ways, can his children not also? Chuck Colson and his wife have the following matted and framed in their home "Christians should share the gospel at all times and if necessary, use words."

Loving Homosexuals Requires Touch

Physical touch is not optional, it is essential! Americans, particularly men, are reticent to express affection to each other. Not so in other countries, nor in the Bible. In China, Africa and other countries it is common to see men embrace and hold hands. When I was in East Africa a few years ago, I noticed two teenage boys with their arms thrown over each others' shoulders. Ron Taffel, in his book Why Parents Disagree, recounts a father's question, "Is it all right if I hug and kiss my two-and-a-half-year-old son goodnight? I'm afraid it will turn him into a homosexual."

Such thinking is counterintuitive!

Some in the church defend their resistance to ex-gay ministry on the grounds that homosexuality is a dirty subject-to which I politely say-- "I am not aware of a 'clean sin.'." God the Father got His hands dirty when He "...formed man from the dust of the ground." (Gen. 2:7) God the Son got His hands dirty when He washed the dust/dirt/sewage from the disciple's feet. (John 13:5)

Communicate love physically, not just verbally! Biblical examples of demonstrative male friendship include David and Jonathan, Paul and Timothy and Jesus and John the Beloved Apostle (John 21:20)

Loving Homosexuals Requires Telling the Truth

Take another inventory. When you read the previous point-"Loving Homosexuals Requires Telling the Truth", which truth did you first think of?

--that homosexuality is sin, an abomination or similar thought OR

--that when a person asks forgiveness, God separates them from their sin as far as the 'east is from the west' or 'and such were some of         you?' or similar thought

My point is this-- I find that when the word truth is used in relation to homosexuality, many Christians first think of "sin" or "abomination" versus God's transforming grace. We must give people the whole counsel of God. What people need is "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."

Let me illustrate this with an actual email I received from a Christian man who mistakenly thought I was still a homosexual.

"I will continue to pray for your misunderstanding and immoral offenses. I have faith that God will open a door for you so you can realize your sins. Here is a verse written by Paul in Corinthians. 'Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.'

If Jesus was ok with homosexuality, then why was Paul and everyone else to follow the Christian movement until the late 20th century so against it? The Bible talks about such catamites as this in the end times. Please find the truth."

Much love, Tom (not his real name)


I do not advocate Tom's form of evangelism for the same reason I do not advocate sticking one's lips in a meat grinder.

Tom made some major mistakes. First, he assumed I was homosexual. Second, the tone of his email is less than loving; on the contrary it reeks with arrogance. And thirdly, Tom does not give me the whole truth when he quotes 1 Corinthians. He quotes verses nine and ten, but omits verse eleven which is crucial to the text. Versus eleven reads "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus." (Emphasis added)

Also note that telling the truth does not mean converting homosexuals to heterosexuality. Many Christians peddle heterosexuality like it's 'another gospel.' (See Galatians 1:6) Conversion is to Jesus Christ who, in turn, transforms us. Jesus did not say "Go and make heterosexuals." He said "Go and make disciples."

Loving Homosexuals Requires Listening

James 1:19 reads "My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry."

We can learn a lesson from Job. His oxen and donkeys are stolen. His servants and sheep are killed. His camels are carried off. A storm collapses a house-killing his sons and daughters. And his health deteriorates dramatically. When Job's three friends hear of his multiple calamities, they go to comfort him. Because of Job's poor health, he is unrecognizable to the friends who weep in sympathy.

Here's the important part. "Then (the friends) sat down on the ground with (Job) for seven days and seven nights with no one speaking a word to him, for they saw that his pain was very great." (Job 2:13) (Emphasis added.) Can you imagine sitting with a hurting homosexual and remaining silent for a week? Some Christians can not be silent seven seconds when the issue of homosexuality is broached.

After addressing a church group, a visibly-angry lesbian made her way toward me. My understandable fear subsided when I got the story. The lesbian's sister would not allow the lesbian's partner to visit her nephew and niece.

Though tempted to interrupt her tirade and say the sister had the right and responsibility to guard her childrens' exposure to such relationships, I sensed I should remain silent and just listen compassionately.

Then, with no hint that things were about to change, tears began to stream down her face. In a soft-spoken voice I asked "Why are you crying?" Though she didn't answer my question directly, and what's more I already knew, her reply spoke volumes, "I cry all the time." I pulled up two chairs; we sat down and for more than an hour I listened to her story of hurt and confusion.

Do not miss the point! If I had not kept my mouth shut, this lady and I would never have connected.

Peter Marshall said, "There are aspects of the gospel that are puzzling and difficult to understand. But our problems are not centered around the things we don't understand, but rather in the things we do understand. This, after all, is but an illustration of the fact that our problem is not so much that we don't know what we should do. We know perfectly well, but we don't want to do it."

Is it possible that what many Christians do not want to do is love?

Jesus said "...all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." (John 13:35)

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Equipping the Church to Evangelize and Disciple the Homosexual





That's my King!?

By Tim Wilkins

Tucked away in Philippians chapter four is a verse replete with truth for gays and all other sinners. Yes, we?re all in the same boat; the ground is level at the foot of the cross AND the deck of the boat.

At the most personal level, the Apostle Paul knew God?s provision through shipwreck, snakebite, stoning and his notorious thorn in the flesh. He was warming a prison cell when he wrote ?And my God will supply all your needs according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus.? (verse 19) (full story)





Homosexuality and heat and light

The subject of homosexuality is one that often creates a lot of heat.  James Stuart Stewart wrote, "There is a type of preaching which apparently regards it as more important to generate heat than supply light."  One need not be a preacher to be a heat-generating participant.

It is easier to denounce homosexuality with great fervor than to portray and proclaim a loving God who separates our sin from us "as far as the east is from the west."  Before Man had circumnavigated the globe, the Psalmist wrote Psalm 103:11-12.

Allow me to illustrate the power of this text. Let's say we take a plane flying north. After we cross the North Pole, we begin flying south. And after we cross the South Pole, we again are flying north. But if we take a plane that heads east, we will fly forever in the direction of east. If we take a plane flying west, we will always fly west. And so the Psalmist wrote "as far as the east is from the west, so have I separated you from your sin." That's a vivid illustration of God's forgiveness. And that's an appropriate text to use as you mention homosexuality in your preaching.

Everywhere I speak I advocate we turn down the heat on the subject and turn up the light!  

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Tim Wilkins
www.crossministry.org




 




I dedicate this last thought tonight to my very dear and treasurered brothers in HA.

May the Lord's blessing always remain with you.

In His service.

Les.

I Am



I am a worthwhile person.

I am entitled to be who I am.

If you can't accept me as I am,

Then you are not worthy

To be a part of my life

To ignore or reject who I am

Is your loss.

I deserve uncompromised devotion.

Anything less is unacceptable.

If you can't view me

As the treasure, the prize

That I am,

Then forget it--

I am worth more than that.

There will be others

Who will recognize

The worthiness of who I am.

I am who I am

And I am a worthwhile person.


Likewise, please consider the song as written velow, MIRACLES DO HAPPEN....
and praise God for that.

~L~

"Miracles happen because one happened to me. I can't explain it but  I no it
was especially for me. Miracles happen and now one's     happening today,
thank You Jesus for first loving me." ( Song )










Guys,

here an open letter I just wrote.

First, the letter I am reffering to and then mine. I will try to delete all denominational references:

Click here:




Dear Tom,

first, let me introduce myself:

My name is Robert Gollwitzer. I am a member of the xxxx in Munich Germany. And I am managing director of a Christian ex-gay minstry called JASON (www.freewebs.com/jason-online).
I just saw your article on homosexuality.

Dear Tom, I know you mean good and as far as those Bible verses are concerned, you are certainly right, but to publish such an article might do much more wrong than good.

First: God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve is sarcastic and insulting. You never win an argument - or people's hearts - like that.

It is basically right, but there sure are other ways to say it.

(Another Christian cliche would be: We hate the sin, but love the sinner. When did we show that for the last time??)

At the end, you write:

Paul said those who practice homosexuality would not go to heaven (1 Cor. 6:9-11). Now that is simple, and that is plain, and you can understand it.

No, Tom - it is not as simple. Not at all. Homosexuality is always pain-driven. Always. One of the causes is the legitimate need for same-sex affection and love, that has usually not been met in childhood days. I have heard about what has happened in the lives of many, many men - and believe me: it is not as simple. A lot of bad things have happened there. At some point, those men (or women) lost the contact to the male world (ar female one). They desperately tried to bond with their father in childhood, but no way. He was either emotionally or physically distant. At some point, they gave it up. And they are still yearning for that love they have never experienced. 

Tom - nobody chooses to have same-sex attractions. Of course, you have to take responsability for your own life and deeds at some point and forgive - but take it from me: that is easier said than done. 

Some can't even forgive themselves and think they've really blown it with the Lord now. All they want is to die.

For others the hurt is so deep, it's eating them up. 

But all of them struggle very, very hard not to yield to their temptations and fill their legitimate needs a healthy way. I have deep respect of those who enter the long and hard road of recovery. It is a struggle you have no idea of how hard it is, Tom.

So when they get to hear that it's wrong because the Bible tells us so and it's as easy as that, they turn their face away from such an unloving church. Instead of ongoing, loving and brotherly support on their road to freedom they get to hear what they know themselves. But that helps them nothing - it only puts them down and makes them feel like real dopes. 

And active, non-Christian gays - those who need Jesus most - turn their face away in disgust of such a Church. We are supposed to be the light and the salt of the world - to pass on some of that love that Jesus has for us every day to those who need it most.

Tom, if you're writing: "practicing homosexuals cannot produce children" - that is first wrong (some of our members are fathers and mothers!) and second it helps them nothing. Again: it makes them feel like you're mocking them. Like you're sitting on a throne of righteousness and judging others.

Yes, Tom, Christians should "come out of the closet" - but not the way you want them to. 

First, one of the main causes for same-sex attractions is a broken family in which those guys had to grow up.

Since the sexual revolution in the 60's, traditional Christian family values that have been grown in centuries have been turned upside down and replaced by - nothing. Anything goes now. Any constellation of two or more consenting people of whatever gender. The effects can be seen today: our society is morally on the decline.

And it were NOT the homosexuals who started that. It were the adulterers, those who watched porn, had sex outside of marriage, left their families and so on.

But homosexuality is always a sin greater than any other.

you stand in front of a church congregation and give your testimony about how Jesus helped you get rid of alcohol and everybody will clap their hands.

You tell them Jesus helped you overcome your same-sex attractions, so that they won't have power over you anymore - and for sure nobody will clap. You are what you are for them: a homosexual. 

Yes, Christian should take a bold biblical stand in society - also referring to homosexuality. But they should also offer help and love to those who suffer from it.

How do you do that? Inform yourself. Read literature about it (Joe Dallas wrote some great books on that). Invite ex-gay ministries to your church and let them do seminars there. Also don't give homosexuals the feeling that you consider yourself something better than they are, because you don't have sex with men.

Again: Homosexuality is so much more than just sex between members of the same gender. Some don't even do that and still have same-sex attractions.

A smarty fire-and-brimstone message helps nobody. Just quoting Bible verses - that's what the Pharisees did, too. But the mere letter kills. Jesus told us that people would recognize us as Christians by the way we act with each other. By the way we show love for each other and for those around us. It's by our fruit that people will recognize us as Christians.

You can know all of those Bible verses by heart and still have no faith at all in your heart. If you don't let the Holy Spirit work in you and let the Great Commandment be your life-guide, you will never win people's hearts for Jesus. And if we act like that, we have to ask ourselves, if there is any Jesus in us. Any love for the Lord and for others.

Dear Tom, thank you for your wonderful ministry with "Seek ye first". You sure do a great job there.

But again: reach out to those who need you. Yes: YOU. 

Love them as Jesus loves you.

Because that's what we've missed most in our lives:

Love.

May the Lord keep on blessing you always,

Robert Gollwitzer


 
(Quellenangabe: u.a. Material von Joe Dallas. Wir empfehlen sehr, seine Bücher zu kaufen!)

Ich kann mich an zwei Male erinnern, dass ich das Wort "Homosexualität" in einer Predigt gehört habe. Beide Male kam es nur am Rande vor, aber immerhin. Das erste Mal war es ein Kapuzinerpater, der im Grunde nur das in einem Satz wiederholte, was die Bibel dazu sagt - und dafür von seinem Guardian in der Sakristei gemaßregelt wurde (er meinte, das solle man doch weg lassen, sonst kommen die Leute gar nicht mehr in die Kirche. Was für ein Unsinn! Wenn nicht in der Kirche, wo sollen die Menschen denn sonst das hören, was Gott dazu sagt? Im Fernsehen etwa?). Das andere Mal heute (seltsamerweise in einem Altenheim. Was er sich dabei wohl gedacht hat?). Der Priester bezog sich auf das Evangelium von der Ehebrecherin, die gesteinigt werden sollte und die von Jesus gerettet wurde. Er verglich Jesu Worte ("Auch ich verurteile dich nicht") mit der vielzitierten Aussage von Papst Franziskus zum Thema Homosexuelle ("Wer bin ich, dass ich darüber urteile" oder so ähnlich) und meinte, das sei derselbe Geist des Evangeliums. IST ER NICHT, werter Herr Pfarrer!! Es ist schon erstaunlich, dass die Menschen nur das aus den Aussagen des Papstes heraus hören, was sie hören wollen. Komischerweise fühlt sich niemand von seiner lauten Kritik an der Kirche angesprochen.

Was der Priester in seinem Überschwang (er erwähnte dies im Zusammenhang mit seiner Meinung nach notwendigen Reformen in der Kirche) vergessen hat, ist der nächste Satz: "Geh und sündige von jetzt an nicht mehr!" DAS ist der "Geist" des Evangeliums: Gnade und Barmherzigkeit - aber auch genügend Liebe, um zu mahnen und die Wahrheit zu sagen! Alles andere ist eine grobe, mutwillige Verdrehung, mit der der Hirte, der die Schafe eigentlich auf den rechten Weg bringen soll, sie davon abbringt. 

„Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin!“

Who hasn’t heard that phrase before. We are supposed to love the sinner, but hate sin (i.e. what he/she does or fantasizes about).

At first glance this sounds perfectly right. And yet I’ve come to really dislike that statement and I ask my brothers and sisters to refrain from using such commonplaces, especially when it comes to people with same-sex attractions. And this for the following reasons:

1) You do not convince anybody with commonplaces – as true as they might be.
2) So we love the sinner. To which every gay activist (and every person in general) can and might reply: When was the last time you showed that – through unconditional works of love? It is so easy to give a fire-and-brimstone sermon on sinful “homosexual” acts. How much harder it is to love those people like Christ would! Because if you don’t, such a statement will backfire big time. And you deserved that.
3) Such a phrase is obviously talking about a person with same-sex attractions. We want to tell our church brothers and sisters to let “those people” know that we love them but hate what they are doing. Now thing for a moment how that sounds like for “one of those”. I had been there, so I have an idea about that. Throughout my whole “gay” time (which was many, many years!) I had the feeling that this is not only how I am, but most of all who I am. This is my identity – much like it would be my identity to be a white person from Europe. For “people like us” who are still involved in that life or in that world (whether or not we act out) this is not simply about “behaviors” or “fantasies” – this is an identity question. He or she thinks that they cannot do anything about it anyways (and just throwing facts at them wouldn’t help either, because they are bombarded with different facts all the time and rather confused anyway). As a consequence, these persons might feel rejected for who they are (like you might reject a person because of his or her color of skin) – if you mean to say that or not (for the record: this is not how I think, but how many “of us” think). Usually, it is not the first time they heard things like that, so to cope with their anger, hurt and frustration they might react very aggressively. They might see you as hypocrite, retarded, radical, inhumane – or simply stupid.
4) So we love the sinner and hate the sin. Fine. Sounds like we are talking about somebody else when we are talking about sinners. And in fact this is exactly what we are doing there: We point with the finger on other people and call them sinners that “deserve” to hear the truth. This in fact is hypocrite. If we point with the finger on somebody else, we should remember that all the other fingers are pointing back to us – for good reason. We sometimes tend to forget that we are sinners too. As someone once said: A church is not a hotel for saints, but a hospital for sinners. And even if you find a “perfect” church, you ruin it the very moment you walk through its doors. I remember when I joined a “Bible church” a couple of months after I left the gay life and enrolled in H.A.’s online program. The brothers and sisters there were really nice, but man was there a difference between us. I walked in on a Wednesday evening to join there Bible study – dressed in army pants & boots and a black leather jacket. And there were sitting all those nicely dressed Christians. I felt like someone from Mars (which was not their fault, but still). They knew nothing about me, but as luck wanted to have it they dealt with a Bible verse speaking on sexual immorality. One of them mentioned that actually there was nothing for them to talk about as they didn’t have that problem. On the inside I thought well, now you do (as it later turned out, they had it as well). Sometime after that – I was already a member – a dear friend of mine held a Bible study before the service. He spoke about sinning. Sinning with a capital “S” sort of – the real bad stuff. And then he turned to me and said something like “Well, Robert, what do you say to that?”. As if I was the only sinner in the house (he might not have meant it that way, but it sure sounded like that. For a very long time I felt like the black sheep of the family there – as loving as they were.
So instead of confronting people with same-sex attractions with commonplaces and Bible verses (as true as they are, but the letter can kill if you don’t apply him with love – think of how Jesus saved the prostitute who was about to be stoned – He saved her before she could even say beep!), we might show them what Christian love, what Christianity in general is all about – through our actions. They should see Christ through us! That does not mean they should not be confronted with the truth as well, but they first need to be “fed” (that is taken care of with love), before they even trust us enough to want to know more about what motivates us. Just standing with a sign at the sidewalk when a gay parade passes by, does not to anything good for anyone. It might even make you look weird (to say the least).

To cut a long story short: Yes, sinners (that is we all!) need to hear the truth in and with love. But people that come from “out there” need to see what stuff we are made of first. They want to feel it, experience it before they might think about wanting to have it too. And yes, we all deserve the truth. But the truth in love – else there is no truth. Most of all people with same-sex attractions deserve every and any help possible – from a medical point of view (like therapy), from the Church, from their families and friends and from politics and laws. This is why I support “Voice of the Voiceless”.

Some time ago I served as a volunteer in a local prison. There you cannot throw Bible verses at the inmates. First, you are not supposed to do that unless they want it and second they can smell a mile away what your true motivation is – if you are there to get one point off your Christian “to-do-list” and do something for those poor prisoners by quoting them Bible verses and tell them some commonplaces – or if you are there for THEM. They want to see what you are made of – and then (and ONLY then) they might take some interest in your motivation.

I guess it is not much different with people who live a “gay” life. If we are REALLY made of that stuff, then let’s show it to them! Let’s love them like Christ would.

Rob
Michael's Testimony:

Before I share my thoughts, I think it's best to tell you a little about myself. I was born in 1961 in the state of Florida and remained there until 1982 when I left for the army. Being raised by my mom, a strong black woman, I had to take on many roles when she was at work: cooking, cleaning, laundry, grocery shopping on occasion and taking care of my 2 younger sisters. Most of these roles one would call feminine roles or women's work, but I never looked at it that way; maybe it's because it's all I knew. When I think back, I realize that I also picked up a few feminine mannerisms:
*Holding my school books up to my chest instead of down by my side like a guy should,
*Getting into a car butt first instead of leg first,
*Making sure my nails were long and clean,
*Crossing my legs at the ankles,
*Taking an interest in interior design & fashion and
*The dreaded "prissy" walk.

Not one of these occurred to me as being wrong or improper for a male. Again, it was all I knew. Being that I had no strong male role models in my life, I never played sports or had interest in them. The same is true for working on cars or any other "manly" jobs.

On May 5th of 1979, I had sex for the first time with a woman (notice how I remembered the date there?). Being that I never had "the talk" with anyone and I wasn't allowed to attend the school's sex education classes, I really didn't know what to do or expect. I knew absolutely nothing about foreplay or lube or condoms. Needless to say, it could've been better. A few days after that, I had this overwhelming urge to try sex with a guy. (I think this stems from being forced to take group showers for the first time in grade 8 after gym class.) Not knowing where to go or what to look for, I just thought about it. Then one day while waiting on a bus to go home, I saw this guy looking at me. We started talking and he suggested we go somewhere to have sex. And I must say, I enjoyed it. I really did, but now I was torn between what was expected of me as a black male and what I wanted and was easier to get, so I tried sex with the same woman again.

During the summer, I kept going out looking for sex with men. In August of 1979, I'd become a Christian. And during the first few months, the guilt of having these feelings for men was overwhelming. It just felt wrong. I wasn't sure what to do. When you grow up as a black male in the Bible Belt, there's a lot of pressure to fit a certain image. You're supposed to be strong and very masculine. That wasn't me by any stretch of the imagination. I wanted to be with men, but also wanted to live the life of a good Christian. There was so much conflict within me.

I tried talking to my then best friend about what I was going through; hoping he could help in some way. He didn't know what to say to me, so he talked to the singles pastor about it. The singles pastor came to me and told me that I needed to leave the church. All I was doing was seeking help...advice, but instead, I was turned away from the very people who I thought would accept me and help guide me through this struggle.

For months, I would leave home giving my family the impression that I was still going to church every Sunday and Wednesday. I was "dating" a girl from church at the time who knew of my struggle. The following summer, I went down to the church to see her off the church's summer camp. The security guards at the church called police and had me escorted off the property. It was truly embarrassing. After that, I stopped pretending to attend church. Even though I wasn't going anymore, the desire to be close to God was strong, but also was my desire to have sex with guys. I'd go to malls, parks, clubs and anywhere else I could think of to find it. The thing is, after I'd have sex with them, I felt overwhelmingly guilty about it and would buy Christian music immediately after to help relieve the guilt. The more sex I had, the more music I bought. Needless to say, I'd become a regular at the Christian music store.

For the next couple of years, I kept going back and forth between sex with guys and the Christian music store. One day I decided to go into the army. My thought was it'd make me more of a real man and I wouldn't have feelings for them, but for women. It worked for a while, but I found myself doing the same old thing. Over the years, I'd joined 2 more churches and explained my situation to each, but again I was rejected instead of reaching out to help me. My faith in Christians, God and church was thrown out the window. I went on a 4 year sex binge.

One thing I couldn't understand was how could all these churches be such hypocrites? For years I'd go to church and see other guys who were effeminate--guys who obviously had to be gay--singing in the choir, working as a choir director or playing the piano. Why are these guys allowed to remain in the church, but a guy like me who's actively seeking help/support for this gets turned away time after time after time? The only thing I could come up with is maybe I should've just kept it on the "DL" (the down-low). For those who aren't familiar with that term, it means that certain guys in certain ethnic groups have sex with other guys but don't look at themselves as being gay. It's just sex. Two of the most prominent ethnic groups are the Black and Latino cultures. It's been going on for decades and decades and most of the churches have just turned a blind eye to it all. It was true back in the '70s/'80s and it's still true today. The church body would rather ignore what's going on instead of reaching out to guys/women (of all ages) dealing with SSA (same-sex attraction) or struggling to get away from homosexuality. And the sadest part of it all, those sneaking around hooking up/having sex, don't see anything wrong with it. And without strong leadership in their lives, it'll just continue. What does this say about their faith or the guidance from other Christians?

I have to ask myself, "Why do we allow this to happen?" They have groups for gambling addiction, alcohol and drug abuse, support for those who have committed adultery, and so on, but THEY ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS EVER GROWING PART OF THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY. As one who has seen the effects first-hand, and have heard of others who are afraid to share because of being ostracized, it's very evident that the need is there for support, encouragement and the love of Christ to these hurting and lonely people.

When will the church open its eyes and ears to see the damage they are causing amongst its own? Every day more and more people go to work, school or family functions pretending everything is hunky dorey when it's not. Most of them go home alone and spend hours crying because of the pain and rejection they deal with. Some even go to the extreme and commit suicide because they don't know who they can trust with any of this. I myself, tried suicide over 50 times. The need for help is real. The need for love is real. The numbers grow daily and so does the pain. Wake up church. Wake up!!

The desire...the need for acceptance in the Christian community, with family and friends is so strong that those dealing with SSA or struggling to leave homosexuality, that many would rather give the appearance that they're happy in a heterosexual relationship or at least looking to be in one when the actuality is they're miserable inside. Sometimes the SSA becomes so strong that it ears away at them, but they're willing to tough it out as long as humanly possible because of all the pressure placed on them. They go to family functions or get-togethers with their friends who are married or dating and think things like: "I wish I could be in a relationship like this." or "Will I ever have a family of my own?" The world, especially that of the Christian community, gives the impression that one isn't whole unless they're married and have a family. That couldn't be further from the truth. Many a person has shown how productive, successful and happy they can be living a life of singleness, but many of the Christians in our lives insist on fixing us up and/or making comments about when we're going to get married, especially to men in ethnic cultures because it's expected of them. If you're not married, especially at a certain age, something's wrong with you. It's completely unfair! Again, I say, wake up!

I lived with sexual addiction, depression, anxiety, loneliness and so much more for almost 3 decades, but that's all behind me now. The last time I was with a guy sexually was March 26, 2008 and haven't regretted it once. Sure, there are times when I reminisce about it all, but I wouldn't go back to it for a minute. God has done some great things in my life since putting all that behind me:
*Given me a great church family
*Opened doors for me to share my story with others without feeling afraid or ashamed
*Finally found true Christian male friends (something I longed for for years) and
*Given me the opportunity to work with other guys dealing with SSA and/or trying to leave homosexuality and even straight guys dealing with porn and masturbation addiction.

As one who'll be 53 in a couple of days, I feel closer to God more now than I ever have. Do I regret any of the stuff I did? Sure I do; at least most of it. But you know, it's made me who I am now.

Those struggling with SSA or homosexuality should be loved, not turned away. The latter has being going on for far too long. Why does the church body insist on judging those who aren't like them--who make them feel uncomfortable? Christ talked to AND died for the lame, the broken, the hurt, the sinner. We are ALL those people. Don't forget that.

--Seattle Michael
2 November 2014
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Ex-gays being ignored by the church in Germany!

Most of the German churches completely ignore the existence of ex-gays or ex-gay ministries - at best. Some have a more-or-less open gay-friendly policy, others technically hold the biblical and traditional point of view - but rather in theory than in everyday life. The subject of same-sex attractions ("homosexuality") is usually not even mentioned in any church (with view exceptions). Hardly ever you get to hear a biblical sermon on it or it being adressed in church circles. Sometimes people in ministry make headlines for having same-sex partners - openly or not openly. Even big churches that (on paper) still hold a biblical view would not invite us - neither to adress the congregation nor on any event (some of them being really (!) big!). Sometimes I get the impression that if there is a big and public church event where they can't avoid to address it, they would rather invite people who seem to have not problem acting out their same-sex attractions (they would then apply the "same principles as for heterosexual couples": fidelity and the like. What heresy!), or they might invite gay friendly theologians or simply theologians with a big title - instead of those who offer real help. Ministries that offer real help. Ministries where people are finding freedom from same-sex attractions. One of the bigger denominations even has a purity ministry itself in other countries (even in Europe) - and they would not even invite them. I am at the same time very angry about this irresponsible behavior, about people who seem to offer no help at all (on the contrary, some even might lead people with ssa astray!), but also defiant: They will not silence us. As Michael O'Brien, the famous Canadian novelist, wrote us in an email: Continue to be the sign of contradiction! The time where people with unwanted ssa only met in clandestine circles is over. We are loud and proud as well and we could not care less what others think of us or how they view us. The truce is over - now it is time to put on the armor, gather and fight! We have a mighty enemy, so let's raise our (spiritual) fists and get in the ring! I call on each one of us and each one that supports our call to follow our battle call. There is much more at stake than just a couple of those "weird" ex-gay people. Once we open the door for sin to enter the body, it will spread. So take heart, brothers and sisters all over the world! Join us, stand up for your faith and your Savior and fight!

Robert

Hirten?

Wir bekommen immer wieder Meldungen von Menschen mit ungewollten gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen, die sich hilfesuchend an ihre Kirche, Gemeinde oder an Kirchenverwaltungen wenden und dann von ihren Pastoren oder Priestern unglaubliche Aussagen zu hören bekommen - etwa die Aufforderung, ihren Neigungen doch freien Lauf zu lassen und gleichgeschlechtlichen Sex zu haben. Dies von geistlichen Hirten, deren Gemeinden oder Kirchen klar auf einem biblischen Fundament stehen und gleichgeschlechtliche Handlungen und Beziehungen ablehnen. Hirten, deren Aufgabe es eigentlich ist, alle anderen Schafe liegen und stehen zu lassen, wenn eines in Gefahr ist. Ein solches Verhalten ist zutiefst beschämend - für solche Geistliche selbst, aber auch für deren Verantwortliche oder Vorgesetzte, die hier offensichtlich auf ganzer Linie versagen und keinerlei qualifizierte Hilfe und/oder Seelsorge anbieten. Einrichtungen wie Jason werden von etlichen Gemeinden oder Kirchen leider immer noch ignoriert, selbst wenn deren Verantwortliche von uns in persönlichen Gesprächen angesprochen und unsere Hilfe angeboten wird. Und das von Menschen, die ein jahrelanges Theologie-Studium hinter sich haben. Eine Schande ist das!

Ich gay (nicht) hin - Homosexuelle auf dem Ökumenischen Kirchentag in München


Im Mai findet in München der 2. Ökumenische Kirchentag statt, mit einer einseitige Bewerbung von Homosexualität, darunter ein Jugendfrühstück für Schwule, eine "Vigil für die Opfer der Homophobie" und Bewerbung von kirchlicher Segnung von Homo-"Ehen

München (kath.net)

Vom 12. bis 16. Mai 2010 treffen sich Christen aus Deutschland und der Welt zum 2. Ökumenischen Kirchentag in München. Das Ziel ist laut der Eigendefinition der Veranstaltung "gemeinsam ihren Glauben zu feiern, sich auszutauschen und voneinander zu lernen". Ob Gottesdienste, Konzerte, Podiendiskussionen oder Theater - die Teilnehmenden und Mitwirkenden erwartet für 89,-- Euro - soviel kostet eine Dauereintrittskarte - rund 3000 Veranstaltungen, besonders umfangreich scheint das Programm offensichtlich für Homosexuelle zu sein wie das Internetmagazin Medrum.de berichtet. So wird den Teilnehmern am Christi Himmelfahrtstag beim "Forum Homosexuelle und Kirche" von der "Arbeitsgemeinschaft Schwule Theologie" ein Vortrag mit "Christliche Homophobie: drei theologische Diskurse" angeboten. Weiter geht es dann mit einem Vortrag "Gesegnet auf gemeinsamen Wegen. Kirchliche Segnung gleichgeschlechtlicher Partnerschaften" von Heike Immel, einer evangelischen Pfarrerin aus München.

Am selben Tagen darf dann die "Ökumenische Arbeitsgruppe Homosexuelle und Kirche e.V. (HuK) ein Literaturcafe mit "Que(e)rgelesen" ansetzen. Um 14.00 Uhr wird dann vom "Forum Homosexualität München" eine SchwullesbIsche Stadtführung angeboten. Noch immer nicht genug Homobewerbung an einem Tag? Dann gibt es am selben Tag eine Filmvorführung unter dem Motto "Homosexuell und christlich - das geht?!", einen Propagandafilm über Transsexuelle sowie ein Film "Homosexuell und christlich - das geht?!"

Noch immer nicht genug? Der Ökumenische Kirchentag bietet immer noch am selben Tag noch mehr. Wie wärs mit einem weiteren Vortrag von 16.00 bis 18.00 Uhr über "Sexualität und Spiritualität" mit

Werbung

Wolfgang Perlak, Homosexuelle und Kirche aus Berlin. Kritiker der Homosexualität sind im Program des Kirchentages offensichtlich nicht vorgesehen.

Auch für Jugendliche wird ein "homosexuelles Programm" am Kirchentag geboten. Am Freitag, 14. Mai, 10.30 Uhr, findet ein Jugendfrühstück für Schwule, Lesben und ihre Freunde statt, an das sich weitere schwullesbische Programmpunkte anschließen, u.a. "Alternative Lebensformen jenseits von Familie". Am späten Abend findet dann um 22.00 Uhr eine "Vigil für die Opfer der Homophobie" statt (Klenzeschule). Am am Samstag geht es mit der Homo-Propaganda weiter. Am Samstag findet von 11.00 - 12.30 Uhr eine Veranstaltung über "Kinder in gleichgeschlechtlichen Partnerschaften" unter Mitwirkung der Leiterin der "Zypries-Studie", Fabienne Becker-Stoll., statt.

Alternativ dazu besteht die Möglichkeit, an der zur gleichen Zeit angesetzten Lesung von Rainer Hörmann unter dem Titel "Samstag ist ein guter Tag zum Schwulsein" teilzunehmen. Am Nachmittag führt das Netzwerk katholischer Lesben in Zusammenarbeit mit dem Verein "HuK" von 15.00-17.00 eine Veranstaltung "Homosexualität: Befürchtungen kirchlicher Mitarbeiterinnen und Mitarbeiter" durch. Es referieren Judith Eisert vom Netzwerk kath. Lesben, Frankfurt/Main, und Bernd Wangerin, Pfarrer i.R.. Frankfurt/Main. Ebenfalls am Nachmittag findet ein Treffen des "Konvents der Konvente" statt. Der Lesbisch-schwule Konvent in der Ev.-Luth. Kirche in Bayern organisiert von 15.00-17.30 ein "Treffen schwullesbischer Pfarrkonvente", das sich unter anderem mit dem Thema "Pfarrdienstrecht" befasst. Darüber hinaus bietet der Kirchentag am Freitag- und Samstagnachmittag auch die Möglichkeit zu Gruppengesprächen im Geistlichen Zentrum unter dem Thema "Homosexualität - die Würde unserer Liebe" in der Halle B2 des Messegeländes an.

Als Veranstalter des Ökumenischen Kirchentages laden die beiden Laienorganisationen Deutscher Evangelischer Kirchentag und das Zentralkomitee der deutschen Katholiken in enger Zusammenarbeit mit der Arbeitsgemeinschaft christlicher Kirchen in Deutschland ein. Gastgeber sind das Erzbistum München und Freising und die Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Bayern.

Kontakt: Alois Glück, Katholischer Präsident, Präsident des Zentralkomitees der deutschen Katholiken (ZdK), Email: [email protected]

Kontakt: Prof. Dr. Dr. Eckhard Nagel, Evangelischer Präsident, Mitglied im Präsidiumsvorstand des Deutschen Evangelischen Kirchentages (DEKT), Email: [email protected]

Kontakt: Erzbistum München, Anfragen an das Erzbischöfliche Ordinariat München, Telefonzentrale, Telefon: 089/21 37-0, Telefax: 089/21 37-15 85
Postfach 33 03 60, 80063 München

(Quelle: http://www.kath.net/detail.php?id=26181. Used with permission)

Suendenboecke?

Auf eines sollten wir im Umgang mit Homosexuellen besonders achten: sie nicht zu Suendenboecken fuer unsere eigenen Unzulaenglichkeiten werden zu lassen (das gilt im uebrigen auch fuer die "Gegenseite"). Wie schnell sind wir dabei, andere Menschen oder das Verhalten anderer Menschen radikal und entschieden zu verurteilen und sie zum großen Feindbild zu erklaeren. Nicht selten stecken dahinter eigene Unzulaenglichkeiten, ein gebrochenes Verhaeltnis zu Gott, ein verzerrtes Gottesbild, eine besondere Vorstellung davon, was ein Christ zu tun, wie er/sie auszusehen oder sich zu verhalten hat usw.

Ja, wir duerfen und sollen zu unseren Ueberzeugungen stehen - dies aber in Demut und Liebe. Einer Liebe, die nichts fordert und nichts verlangt.

 

Nicht über Homosexualität predigen?

Es kommt durchaus manchmal vor, dass Priester oder Pfarrer über das Thema Homosexualität aus biblischer Sicht ein paar Worte in einer Predigt sagen. Manchmal werden sie dann von Mitbrüdern getadelt - im besten Glauben, demjenigen und der Gemeinde damit etwas Gutes zu tun. Es kommen dann Argumente wie: "Da kann man ja dann gar nicht mehr in die Kirche gehen, ohne das da auch noch zu hören", oder: "Wir wollen die Menschen doch nicht verschrecken!".

Wo sonst wenn nicht in der Kirche sollen Menschen über Homosexualität aus biblischer Sicht erfahren??? Wenn wir darüber nicht mehr in der Kirche erfahren, nur um die Gläubigen nicht zu "verschrecken" oder jemanden zu belästigen, wo hört das dann auf?

Und was die betrifft, die Freiheit suchen - diejenigen, die ein Leben gemäß den Wahrheiten der Bibel in der Nachfolge Jesu Christi führen wollen: wer hilft denen? Wer ist für sie da? Wer bietet ihnen Seelsorge an, menschliche Wärme, Verständnis - wenn nicht der Priester/Pfarrer oder andere Gläubige?

Leider haben viele von uns aber die Erfahrung gemacht, dass man mit ihren Problemen in der Gemeinde nicht umzugehen weiß.

Einrichtungen wie JASON müsste es eigentlich gar nicht geben, wenn die Kirche ihren Job machen würde.

Genau deshalb bieten wir hier unsere Hilfe, Unterstützung und Beratung an. Nehmen Sie Kontakt zu uns auf! Wir beraten Sie gerne oder kommen bei Bedarf auch in Ihre Gemeinde.

Jesus hat uns einmal gesagt, wer sich der Wahrheit Gottes (der Bibel) schämt, dessen würde Er sich auch am Jüngsten Tag schämen. Auch das sollten wir nicht vergessen, wenn wir zu diesem Thema schweigen.

Mehr noch aber sollten wir allen Menschen - denen, die ihre Homosexualität ausleben wie denen, die nach ihren christlichen Werten leben möchten - mit Liebe und Respekt begegnen. Homosexualität scheint für manche immer noch ein Tabu-Thema zu sein. Alleine die Art und Weise, wie man darüber manchmal spricht, schreckt Betroffene ab (habt ihr euch jemals Gedanken darüber gemacht, dass - wenn ihr Kommentare zu diesem Thema gebt - jemand am Tisch sitzen könnte, der selbst betroffen ist und den ihr damit zutiefst verletzt??).

Wir sollten zur Bibel stehen, aber Betroffenen auch unsere liebende und helfende Hand zur Unterstützung anbieten.


Thoughts to Ponder...

Für heterosexuelle Christen ist es wohl schwer nachzuvollziehen, welches Gefühl Menschen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen beim "Coming Out" haben. Und erst recht, wenn sie dann ihre Neigungen ausleben. Wenn sie das erste Mal in die Szene gehen.

Es ist so ungefähr, als würde ein Damm brechen. So vieles, das man bisher aufgestaut oder verheimlicht hat! Endlich frei!! Endlich an einem Ort, wo man sich zuhause fühlt - angenommen und geliebt, so wie man ist!

Mal ganz abgesehen davon, dass sich dieses Stimmungshoch meist relativ bald legt und man wieder ernüchtert auf dem Boden der Tatsachen landet, ist hier durchaus ein Kern der Wahrheit enthalten, den wir uns zu Herzen nehmen sollten:

Leider war und ist es in etlichen Gemeinden, Organisationen, Familien oder wo auch immer so, dass man sich nicht "zuhause" fühlt. Nicht geliebt und angenommen.

Wir müssen endlich begreifen, dass die Kirche kein Hotel für Heilige ist, sondern ein Krankenhaus für Sünder! Und das gilt keineswegs nur für Homosexuelle. Wenn jemand das erste Mal in eine Kirche geht, steckt noch sein ganzes bisheriges Leben in ihm. Er raucht vielleicht vor der Kirche. Oder flucht. Er sieht vielleicht nicht so aus, wie man das erwartet. Oder benimmt sich nicht so.

Wenn sich dieser Mensch aufgrund des Verhaltens der dort versammelten Christinnen und Christen wie ein Fremdkörper vorkommt, wird er bald wieder kehrt machen und der Kirche den Rücken drehen. Und die Kirche hat versäumt, ihre Aufgabe wahrzunehmen.

Jesus kam nicht, um die Gesunden zu heilen, sondern die Kranken. Und wir sind in Seine Nachfolge gerufen. Das heißt nun keineswegs, dass die "Gesunden" nicht Seines Beistands bedürfen, aber als Christinnen und Christen haben wir die selbstlose und aufopferungsvolle Liebe weiter zu geben, mit der uns Jesus liebt.

Es hilft Homosexuellen nicht, wenn man ihnen erzählt, man würde sie selbst lieben, aber das, was sie tun, hassen. Das mag zwar ebenfalls einen wahren Kern haben, aber mit Allgemeinplätzen gewinnt man keine Herzen.

Wann haben wir denn das letzte Mal jemandem gezeigt, dass wir ihn oder sie lieben?

Eines sollten wir nie vergessen: Menschen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen, die auf ein Ausleben derselben oder eine homosexuelle Partnerschaft verzichten, verzichten damit auch auf das, was sie vielleicht am nötigsten haben: Liebe. Mag sein, dass es die falsche Liebe ist, aber für sie ist es einfach nur Liebe. Und das alles nur, weil sie Jesus mehr lieben als alles andere. Das sollte uns zu denken geben.

Wir sind gerufen, das dadurch in ihren Herzen und Leben entstehende Loch mit unserer Liebe zu füllen. Nicht nur in die Kirche zu gehen, sondern Kirche zu sein.

Nicht mehr und nicht weniger würde Jesus von uns erwarten.

Die Kirche muss Ergebnisse moderner Wissenschaft anerkennen und darf homosexuelles Verhalten nicht einfach ablehnen!

Ist dem wirklich so? Mal ganz abgesehen davon, dass es bisher nicht einen einzigen Beweis dafür gibt, woher homosexuelle Neigungen eigentlich kommen (wohl aber viele Hinweise auf die Bedeutung der Familie, Erziehung sowie eine genetische Veranlagung, die es uns unter bestimmten Bedingungen erleichtert, uns so und nicht anders zu verhalten. Allerdings gibt es bis heute keinen Hinweis auf ein "schwules Gen". Selbst wenn es dieses aber geben würde, würde es dem Ganzen keinen Abbruch tun, da wir mehr sind als nur Sklaven eines Gencodes!), hätte die Kirche ein Problem, wenn sie ihre Grundsätze sowie die Bibel jedes Mal umschreiben müsste, wenn "neue wissenschaftliche Erkenntnisse oder Theorien" veröffentlicht werden. Die Kirche hat immer die enge Verbindung von Glaube und Vernunft betont. Glaube muss vernänftig sein, um ihn vor sich selbst und anderen begründen zu können, geht aber über rein menschliches Vernunftempfinden hinaus. Auch kann die Kirche kein Spielball von Wissenschaftlern sein - noch dazu, wenn sich diese gerade bei diesem Thema uneinig sind. Ein zeitgemäßer Glaube ist etwas anderes als ein Glaube, der sich dem Zeitgeist unterwirft. Eine Kirche, die klare biblische Aussagen "uminterpretiert" oder gleich verwirft, hilft Menschen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen nicht - ganz im Gegenteil. Homosexuelles Verhalten wurde in der überwiegenden Anzahl menschlicher Kulturen weltweit und zu allen Zeiten abgelehnt - und das lässt sich nicht alleine auf mangelndes Wissen oder die gesellschaftliche Diskriminierung schieben. Viele Menschen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen berichten, wie sehr sich ihr Innerstes dagegen gesträubt hat, als sie diese Neigungen in ihrer frühen Jugend das erste Mal wahrgenommen haben. Und noch Jahre später berichten sie, dass dies unabhängig vom gesellschaftlichen Einfluss so war. Es scheint, als sei Heterosexualität als Standard von unserem Schöpfer so tief in unser Innerstes eingeschlossen worden, dass selbst hartnäckige Versuche, bereits Kinder und Jugendliche zu indoktrinieren und von der Attraktivität homosexuellen Verhaltens überzeugen zu wollen, nur sehr kurzfristige Erfolge haben, langfristig aber auf inneren Widerstand stoßen.


Menschen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen ist mit Verständnis und Liebe zu begegnen. Es ist aber auch unsere Verantwortung als Christinnen und Christen, unsere Geschwister im Glauben zu ermahnen, wenn sie vom Weg abkommen und sich von Gott abwenden. Man kann nicht beides haben. Die Bibel sagt uns nicht: Du darfst nicht mit einem Mann liegen, wie man mit einer Frau liegt, außer du bist so geboren worden. Sie hat uns den Standard der heterosexuellen, monogamen Ehe vorgegeben - und diesen über Jahrtausende hinweg aufrecht erhalten. Es steht uns nicht zu, Gott spielen zu wollen und Seinen Willen eigenmächtig und willkürlich zu missachten oder nach Belieben umzuinterpretieren, wenn wir ihn nicht mehr als zeitgemäß ansehen.

Evangelische Landeskirche – Quo vadis?


Zum Papier „Orientierungslinien zur ethisch-theologischen Urteilsbildung am Beispiel der strittigen Bewertung von Homosexualität in christlicher Perspektive“


Beim eben veröffentlichten Papier der VELKD (siehe hier: http://www.ekd.de/presse/pm112_2014_texte_umgang_homosexualitaet_velkd.html) drängt sich eine Frage auf: Haben wir hierfür die „Reformation“ gebraucht? Oder anders ausgedrückt: Wer braucht diese VELKD eigentlich noch, die weder Fisch noch Fleisch ist?


Gehen wir etwas näher auf dieses Papier ein:

Es beginnt ja schon in der Überschrift: So wichtig eine „ethisch-theologische Urteilsbildung“ im Zusammenhang mit der (immer zu schulenden!) Gewissensbildung des Einzelnen ist, so unverständlich ist sie für eine Kirche/Gemeinschaft als Ganzes. Zu derart zentralen Fragen kann es nicht einer persönlichen Urteilsbildung überlassen bleiben, wie man/frau dazu steht – das wäre nichts anderes als moralischer Relativismus (jeder bestimmt selbst, was richtig und falsch ist) oder ein „Cafeteria-Christentum“, bei denen man/frau sich seinen Glauben selbst aus Versatzstücken unterschiedlichster Religionen oder persönlicher Vorlieben zusammensetzt.
Was die „strittige Bewertung“ angeht, so ist die vielleicht bei einzelnen Menschen strittig, aber nochmals: Wenn diese Bewertung bei der Kirche/Gemeinschaft als ganzer strittig ist, liegt etwas im Argen. Hier muss jedoch fairerweise hinzugefügt werden, dass einige Katholiken hier – leider - durchaus gleichziehen, wenngleich auch nicht die Katholische Kirche als ganze.

Beginnt man dann die Einleitung von Landesbischof Gerhard Ulrich zu lesen (wohlgemerkt soll dieser Text ja eine „Anleitung zur ethischen Urteilsbildung“sein), stellt sich die durchaus berechtigte Frage, warum ein solcher für die Allgemeinheit angelegter Text nicht auch in klarer, allgemein verständlicher Sprache gehalten ist. Wer in „hochgestochenen“ theologischen Phrasen spricht, ist sich möglicherweise selbst nicht über das Thema im Klaren. Eigentlich habe ich schon bei der Einleitung keine Lust mehr, weiter zu lesen, aber was soll’s.
Im Weiteren ist die Rede von einem „moralischen Apell“, zu dem die „vermeintliche Evidenz moralischer Normen“ führen kann, wenn „die auf die ihr vorausliegenden Gründe nicht mehr kritisch hinterfragt werden können“ (gemeint sind die persönlichen Entscheidungen).
Vereinfacht man diesen unerträglichen Schreibstil, so heißt das in etwa: „Moralische Normen sind nicht so klar und offensichtlich, wie man manchmal meint. Man muss zu deren Beurteilung auch auf die jeweiligen Beweggründe des Einzelnen achten“.

Die jeweiligen Beweggründe und die sonstigen Umstände sind natürlich immer in die moralische Bewertung mit einzubeziehen, daraus aber zu folgern, dass es keine klaren und offensichtlichen Normen mehr geben darf, ist – nochmals – moralischer Relativismus. Eine Religion, in der es keine allgemeine Übereinstimmung mehr gibt über das, was wahr, richtig, moralisch und natürlich ist, ist zum Scheitern verurteilt – ebenso wie jede weltliche Gesellschaft auch.

In der Bibel finden wir beides: Kulturell bzw. zeitlich bedingte Vorschriften (etwa bezüglich Kleidung, Aussehen, Essen), aber auch allgemein gültige Normen, die alle biblischen Bücher hindurch, also in verschiedensten Kulturen und Zeiten wiederholt und damit als allgemeiner Standard bestätigt wurden. Auf die Frage etwa, ob eine Ehescheidung unter bestimmten Voraussetzungen erlaubt ist, hat Jesus nicht einfach nur mit „ja“ oder „nein“ geantwortet. Er hat ganz bewusst den Standard aus Genesis bekräftigt: die heterosexuelle, monogame und lebenslange Ehe. Wenn Er uns aber derart offensichtlich und deutlich sagt, was richtig ist, muss Er dann noch eine lange Liste dessen anfügen, was falsch ist? Wohl kaum.

Weiter im Text:


„Ethische Fragen stellen sich in konkreten Problemlagen; sie stehen in einem bestimmten kulturellen, gesellschaftspolitischen oder wissenschaftlichen Kontext – beispielsweise der Medizin – und sind daher auf konkrete Herausforderungen bezogen. Da die Lebenswelten, in denen Menschen sich orientieren, entscheiden und handeln müssen, einem dynamischen Veränderungsprozess unterliegen, stellen sich die damit verbundenen ethischen Problemlagen in jeder Zeit in neuer und anderer Weise und fordern jede Zeit heraus, ihre eigenen Antworten zu finden. Dem entspricht die Tatsache, dass die Verantwortung für ethische Entscheidungen und ethisches Handeln nicht auf theoretisch-abstrakte oder allgemeine Weise wahrgenommen werden kann, sondern stets nur von individuellen Handlungssubjekten, die in bestimmten Rollenzuständigkeiten und als Partner komplexer Interaktionsgefüge agieren müssen.“


Ja, ethische Fragen stellen sich in konkreten Problemlagen. Genau deshalb ist es wichtig, dass hierfür klare, allgemein gültige und allgemein verständliche Normen vorhanden sind. Ansonsten wird das Christentum zu dem, was es vielerorts bereits ist: Ein lauwarmes Allerlei, das kein Mensch wirklich braucht. Gäbe es bestimmte „theoretisch-abstrakte“ Richtlinien nicht, an was sollten sich die Gläubigen dann orientieren. Bereits die Bibel warnt uns davor, dass unser Herz trügerisch sei. Wollen wir derartig wichtige Entscheidungen wirklich – abweichend von der Bibel! – der Einzelfallentscheidung überlassen?


Genau dieser unklare Mischmasch von dem, was nun gelten soll und was nicht, ist übrigens einer der Gründe, die den Islam für viele spirituell Suchende so attraktiv macht. Hier gibt es klare und nachvollziehbare Regeln.


„Einer bestimmten biblischen Aussage zu einer ethischen Frage lässt sich nicht unmittelbar eine Handlungsdirektive entnehmen.“


Es ist kaum zu glauben, zu was sich das protestantische Prinzip der „Sola Scriptura“ (die Bibel als alleinige Autorität, die von jedem verstanden und angewendet werden kann) entwickelt hat. Selbstverständlich beinhaltet die Bibelinterpretation Aspekte wie den Kontext in der Bibel selbst, den alt- und neutestamentlichen Hintergrund, die damalige historische und kulturelle Situation, die heutige Situation. Dies darf aber keineswegs bedeuten, dass es etwa dem heutigen Stand der Wissenschaft überlassen bleibt, ob und inwiefern eine Bibelstelle, die einen allgemein gültigen Standard wiedergibt, zum Tragen kommt. Anders ausgedrückt: Dann könnten wir die Bibel in den Müll werfen und uns unsere Religion selbst zusammen basteln (und nichts anderes tun ja viele „Gläubige“ heute! Wie sollten sie auch anders, wenn ihnen von denen, denen die Glaubensvermittlung, Glaubensweitergabe und Glaubensbegründung obliegt, so etwas erzählt wird).


„Angesichts dieser unhintergehbaren Vermittlungsleistung ist jede Gegenwart aufs Neue herausgefordert, zu den spezifischen Fragen und Problemen der eigenen Zeit eigenverantwortete Antworten zu finden.“


Dies ist ein grundfalsches und gefährliches Verständnis der Auslegung der Bibel. Hierfür hätten wir wahrlich keine „Reformation“ gebraucht. Ja, jede Generation muss die grundlegenden Aussagen der Heiligen Schrift für die Menschen von heute verständlich machen, was aber nicht heißt, dass hier „eigenverantwortliche Antworten“ gefunden werden sollen, also das, was jeder selbst für richtig hält. Wofür bräuchte man dann noch eine Religion?


„Wie Martin Luther immer wieder betont hat, legt sich die Schrift selbst aus, d. h. die biblischen Texte bringen sich in ihrer Wirksamkeit beim Leser oder Hörer selbst zur Geltung. (…) Dazu gehört, „dass die Schrift in der Begegnung mit einem Interpreten selbst die Initiative ergreift und sich selbst verständlich macht; sie ist Interpretin ihrer selbst und bedarf dessen nicht, dass ein Mensch – wer auch immer – ihr mit seiner Auslegungskunst erst auf die Sprünge hilft“

Und wieder sind wir bei dem tragischen Irrtum der „Sola Scriptura“ (ein Prinzip übrigens, dass nicht biblisch begründet ist – ganz im Gegenteil!). Wenn die Bibel sich selbst verständlich macht, der Heilige Geist also jeden Einzelnen im Verständnis leitet, warum haben wir dann ca. 40.000 verschiedene protestantische „Kirchen“ weltweit, die sich alle als „biblisch“ begreifen, aber teils enorm in ihren Glaubensüberzeugungen voneinander abweichen? Entweder ist der Heilige Geist hier etwas verwirrt (was mit Sicherheit nicht der Fall ist!) oder das Prinzip der „Sola Scriptura“ ist nicht nur grundfalsch, sondern gefährlich. Es gibt nicht einen einzigen Bibelvers, der dieses Prinzip bestätigt!! Ja, die Bibel ist ausreichend, nützlich etc. – aber nicht die Bibel ALLEIN! Die Bibel selbst weist uns immer wieder auf die Ältesten usw. hin, an die wir uns wenden sollen, auch und gerade, wenn es um deren Verständnis geht!


Ähnlich geht es weiter:


„Der Glaube, den die Schrift zu wecken vermag, ist nicht Glaube an „etwas“ in dem Sinne, dass ich eine gegenständliche Aussage für wahr halte, sie mir einleuchtet und ich ihr zustimme.“

Natürlich muss ich u.a. oben genannte Prinzipien zur Auslegung der Heiligen Schrift befolgen, es ist aber durchaus so, dass ich dem glaube, was da steht, sowie dem, der sich hier offenbart. Da der Einzelne hiermit völlig überfordert ist, leitet uns die Kirche im Verständnis dessen, was hier steht und wie es zu verstehen ist. Jesus selbst hat uns versprochen, dass Er uns den Heiligen Geist hinterlassen werde, der bei der Kirche als solcher bleibt und sie leiten und beschützen wird! Wofür sonst bräuchte ich denn dann eine Bibel oder ein allgemeines Glaubensbekenntnis – oder eine organisierte Religion an sich, wenn ich selbst Gott „spielen“ darf? Warum überhaupt noch in einen Gottesdienst gehen oder Glied einer Gemeinde sein, wenn ich das alleine auch ganz gut hinbekomme?


„Die Aussagen der Schrift wecken Glauben, indem sie übersetzt werden in persönliche Selbstdeutungsvollzüge“


Das Drama nimmt seinen Lauf. Jeder soll also für sich persönlich die Aussagen der Schrift deuten – „aufgrund der Selbsterschließungskraft der Schrift“. Was für ein Armutszeugnis für eine Religionsgemeinschaft!


Als „Argumentationshilfe“ wird angeführt, man solle sich schließlich nicht „an“ die Schrift halten, sondern „in“ der Schrift bleiben. Hier stellt sich jedoch die Frage, was das dann heißen soll – jeder legt für sich etwas aus, in dem er/sie dann bleibt. Wenn es noch nicht einmal einen Konsens dessen gibt, „worin“ ich bleiben soll, über was reden wir dann hier eigentlich?

Dieses Papier wirft mehr Fragen auf, als es beantwortet. Wahrscheinlich ist das auch noch gewollt.


Weiter ist die Rede von der „Gewissensbindung“ des Einzelnen, wobei das Gewissen theologisch und nicht etwa moralisch verstanden wird. Selbstverständlich ist das – moralische wie theologische (also ob man diese beiden trennen könnte!) – Gewissen eine ernstzunehmende und zu respektierende Größe. ABER: Das Gewissen existiert nicht im luftleeren Raum und ist auch nicht den persönlichen Gefühlen, augenblicklichen Meinungen und Überzeugungen unterworfen. Verbunden mit der Anerkennung der Gewissensentscheidung muss für einen Christen immer auch die permanente Schulung dieses Gewissens sein: Was lehrt die Kirche als lebendiger Leib Christi und warum lehrt sie es? Wie sind die Aussagen der Heiligen Schrift zu verstehen? All dies auf Basis einer täglichen spirituellen Struktur im eigenen Leben – verbunden mit Bibelstudium, Gottesdienstbesuch, Gebet, Glaubensverkündung, einem gottgefälligen Leben, Werken der Barmherzigkeit und der Liebe etc. NUR DANN ist eine Gewissensentscheidung als solche als moralische wie theologische Größe zu respektieren!


Wenn ich nun weiter im Text lese, werde ich das Gefühl nicht los, dass hier mit theologischen Phrasen ein ungeheurer Spagat vollzogen werden soll, um aus einem klaren und unwiderlegbaren „nein“ ein „ja“ oder zumindest ein „vielleicht“ zu machen und dem Ganzen damit einen wissenschaftlichen und glaubhaften Anstrich zu geben. Theologie auf ihrem Tiefststand.


Ja, die Kirche muss die „Lebensrealität“ berücksichtigen und ihre Lehre (die Lehre der Bibel!) rational begründen, ja den Glauben an sich rational begründen, sie darf sich ihr aber nie und nimmer „anpassen“! Dies wird zwar bewusst von einer Anpassung an den „Zeitgeist“ getrennt, aber egal wie man das schön redet und weg diskutieren will, letztendlich läuft es doch genau darauf hinaus!


Ach ja, liebe Theologinnen und Theologen: Wenn ich die Wörter: „entfaltet“, „erschließt“ oder „Spannung“ nochmal höre oder lese, fange ich zu schreien an! Wer nicht in der Sprache der Gläubigen reden kann oder will, sollte es besser bleiben lassen!


„Anderseits ist auch zu konstatieren, dass im Zuge der Emanzipation von Minderheiten, der Entwicklung der Toleranzfähigkeit und rechtlicher Gleichstellungsmaßnahmen gerade in den modernen westlichen Gesellschaften die selbstbewusste Ausbildung einer homosexuellen Identität, die die Person als ganze prägt, befördert und schließlich auch legalisiert worden ist.“

Was die Schwulenbewegung in den letzten Jahren unternommen hat, hat mit „Emanzipation“, „Toleranzfähigkeit“ oder „rechtlicher Gleichstellung“ wenig bis gar nichts zu tun. Eine gesellschaftliche Minderheit, die von der Gesellschaft nicht nur verlangt, ihre Ansichten und Handlungsweisen nicht zu kriminalisieren oder diskriminieren, sondern sie (möglicherweise unter Androhung von Konsequenzen) sogar zwingt, diese für gut und richtig zu befinden, ist nicht „tolerant“. Wenn „Emanzipation“ bedeutet, Andersdenkende in eine radikale Ecke zu stellen, um sich erst gar nicht mit deren Argumenten beschäftigen zu müssen, können wir gerne darauf verzichten. „Anti-Diskriminierungsgesetze“, die besondere Bevölkerungsgruppen hervorheben und damit möglicherweise eine „Diskriminierung“ anderen – nicht extra aufgeführten – Bevölkerungsschichten gegenüber verursacht (anstatt auf bestehende und völlig ausreichende Gesetze für alle zurückzugreifen), haben mit „rechtlicher Gleichstellung“ wenig zu tun.


Im Folgenden ist davon die Rede, wie die Wissenschaft davon abgekommen ist, Homosexualität als psychische Störung oder Krankheit zu begreifen. Leider wird mit keinem Wort erwähnt, dass dies nicht aufgrund neuer wissenschaftlicher Erkenntnisse erfolgte (die es bis heute nicht gibt!), sondern allein aufgrund des damaligen politischen Drucks schwuler Gruppen. Müssen wir nun befürchten, dass es mit Pädophilie oder ähnlichen Orientierungen einen vergleichbaren Verlauf nimmt? Anzeichen hierfür gibt es ja offenbar.


Wie dem auch sei – für einen christlichen Standpunkt ist dies zweitrangig (ich sage bewusst nicht unwichtig!). Es ist ja nicht so, dass unser Schöpfer weniger Ahnung als wir heute hatte, als er uns bestimmte Standards und Normen gab und uns davor warnte, einen anderen Weg zu gehen. Er tat und tut dies nicht, weil Er uns gerne herum kommandiert, sondern weil Er uns liebt und weiß, wohin es führt, wenn wir diesen anderen Weg gehen. Nicht umsonst lesen wir vom engen Tor, das zum Himmel führt und dem breiten Tor, dass in die andere Richtung geht.

„Mit Blick auf das Phänomen der Homosexualität zielt die in unserer Situation spezifische Frage somit nicht darauf, wie homosexuelles Verhalten zu bewerten ist, sondern wie Menschen, deren sexuelle Identität gleichgeschlechtlich geprägt ist, ihr Leben im Kontext von Gesellschaft und Kirche gestalten können.“


Hier muss ich etwas weiter ausholen: Unter gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen versteht man im Allgemeinen eine überwiegend vorherrschende, lang andauernde sexuelle und emotionale Anziehung zu Menschen des eigenen Geschlechts. „Homosexualität“ (eine im Übrigen noch relativ neue Wortschöpfung) als eigenständige Identität gibt es im christlichen Verständnis nicht. Ja, manche Menschen haben gleichgeschlechtliche Neigungen – warum auch immer (und mag einer der Gründe auch „genetischen“ Ursprungs sein!). Das gibt ihnen im christlichen Sinne aber noch keine eigenständige Identität! Sie sind, was sie sind: Männer und Frauen („Heterosexuelle“) mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen. Gott hat nur eine Form der Identität geschaffen. Wir wurden alle in Seinem Ebenbild geformt – und haben nicht hiervon abweichende „Identitäten“.


Um gleichgeschlechtliche Neigungen zu verstehen und zu bewerten, muss man auf die verschiedensten Faktoren eingehen, die zu ihrer Entwicklung beitragen. Ja, für einen Christen sind sexuelle Akte – ebenso wie Fantasien etc. – die sich außerhalb einer lebenslangen monogamen Ehe zwischen Mann und Frau abspielen, Sünde. Als Menschen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen jedoch sind sie von Gott und der Kirche geliebt. Jedoch ist die Kirche auch gerufen, ihnen bei Bedarf geeignete Unterstützung anzubieten (Stichwort: „Ex-Gay Einrichtungen“) sowie ihre Gaben zu erkennen und für Gottes Ruhm zu nutzen. Wenn mit oben zitierter Aussage gemeint ist, dass sie bleiben sollen, wie sie sind und leben, wie sie wollen und trotzdem in der Gemeinde ihren aktiven Platz finden, so ist dem ausdrücklich zu widersprechen.


„Zieht man die Theologie Martin Luthers als Referenzrahmen heran – und diese ist in lutherischen Kirchen hermeneutisch leitend für das Verständnis der biblischen Texte –, so legt es sich nahe, eine theologische Grundstruktur von Luthers Denken fruchtbar zu machen, die mit Bezug auf ethische Fragestellungen ein weitreichendes Erschließungspotenzial zu entfalten vermag.“


„Sola Scriptura“ – aber trotzdem gilt die Theologie eines einzelnen Menschen als Referenzrahmen für das Verständnis der biblischen Texte? Das ist ein Widerspruch in sich und im Ganzen absurd.


„Insbesondere hinsichtlich der Frage nach einer theologisch verantworteten Beurteilung der Homosexualität beste¬hen binnen- wie zwischenkirchlich faktisch große Spannungen. Wie können die Kirchen mit der Diversität ethischer Urteilsbildungen umgehen?“
„Insbesondere Martin Luther hat immer wieder betont, dass ein Christenmensch nicht aus Gehorsam gegenüber einem moralischen Gesetz handelt, sondern weil er in Christus bestimmt ist durch die Macht des Evangeliums. Dessen Kraft aber erweist sich in der Liebe, die das Gebot als Struktur verantwortlichen Lebens nicht verachtet, sich jedoch in Freiheit dazu verhält. Diese Einsicht kollidiert faktisch jedoch nicht selten mit der – binnenkirchlich wie gesellschaftlich weit verbreiteten – Erwartung, dass die Kirchen ethisch und kulturell favorisierte und traditionell bewährte Leitbilder wahren und pflegen.“


Hmmm…


Da Lutheraner ja so viel wert auf „Sola Scriptura“ legen, sehen wir uns doch einfach mal an, was diese Heilige Schrift dazu sagt:


„Wenn ihr mich liebt, werdet ihr meine Gebote halten.“ (Joh 15,15. Einheitsübersetzung)

Ein Christ handelt also durchaus aus Gehorsam gegenüber einem moralischen Gesetz! Dieser Gehorsam ist sowohl Ausdruck als auch Folge der Liebe zu Jesus und kann davon nie getrennt werden!


„Hinsichtlich des kirchlichen Umgangs mit ethisch-theologischen Dissensen lassen sich zwei alternative Lösungsmodelle29 unterscheiden. Das erste Modell strebt eine Konsensfindung auf der Basis von Konsenspapieren an. Damit wird faktisch ein Geltungsanspruch erhoben, der diejenigen, die diesem nicht zustimmen können oder wollen, zwangsläufig exkludieren muss. Das alterna¬tive Modell geht von der Überzeugung aus, dass die Einheit bzw. Einmütigkeit der Kirche nicht in Konsensen gründet, sondern im Geist der Liebe.“


Im Grunde sind beide Ansätze falsch. Es liegt nicht im Entscheidungsbereich der Gläubigen, per Konsenspapier zu einer Mehrheitsentscheidung zu kommen oder eine Meinungsverschiedenheit aus einem „Geist der Liebe“ heraus bestehen zu lassen. Es kann nicht angehen, dass der eine meint, das wäre richtig und der andere jenes. Wiederum ein Drama des Protestantismus. Jeder ist so für sich selbst Papst – und Gott. Entweder stimmen wir ab darüber, was zu glauben ist, oder wir lassen es bei unterschiedlichen Meinungen. Wofür bräuchte man da noch eine Kirche oder religiöse Gemeinschaft? Wofür überhaupt den christlichen Glauben?


Gott wusste um unser unbeständiges Wesen und um unser Herz, deshalb gab er uns die Bibel als geschriebenes Wort Gottes und Seine Kirche als den Leib Christi, die uns im Verständnis der Bibel leiten soll.


„Ein Engel des Herrn sagte zu Philippus: Steh auf und zieh nach Süden auf der Straße, die von Jerusalem nach Gaza hinabführt. Sie führt durch eine einsame Gegend. Und er brach auf. Nun war da ein Äthiopier, ein Kämmerer, Hofbeamter der Kandake, der Königin der Äthiopier, der ihren ganzen Schatz verwaltete. Dieser war nach Jerusalem gekommen, um Gott anzubeten, und fuhr jetzt heimwärts. Er saß auf seinem Wagen und las den Propheten Jesaja. Und der Geist sagte zu Philippus: Geh und folge diesem Wagen. Philippus lief hin und hörte ihn den Propheten Jesaja lesen. Da sagte er: Verstehst du auch, was du liest? Jener antwortete: Wie könnte ich es, wenn mich niemand anleitet? Und er bat den Philippus, einzusteigen und neben ihm Platz zu nehmen.“ (Apg 8,26-31. Einheitsübersetzung)


„Seid überzeugt, dass die Geduld unseres Herrn eure Rettung ist. Das hat euch auch unser geliebter Bruder Paulus mit der ihm geschenkten Weisheit geschrieben; es steht in allen seinen Briefen, in denen er davon spricht. In ihnen ist manches schwer zu verstehen und die Unwissenden, die noch nicht gefestigt sind, verdrehen diese Stellen ebenso wie die übrigen Schriften zu ihrem eigenen Verderben.“ (2 Petr 3,15-16. Einheitsübersetzung)


„Ein biblisches Vorbild für diesen Weg ist im Jerusalemer Apostelkonzil zu finden (vgl. Gal. 2,7ff), das die Heiden- und Judenmission als zwei Weisen anerkennt, den gemeinsamen Auftrag der Verkündigung in unterschiedlichen Gestaltungsformen wahrzunehmen und die damit verbundenen theologischen Dissense – z. B. hinsichtlich der Frage nach der Bedeutung des Beschneidungs- oder des Speisegebotes – in ihrer Spannung auszuhalten.“


Das soll eine „theologische“ Begründung sein? Mit Verlaub, das ist ein Armutszeugnis. Unterschiede bei der Heiden- und Judenmission bzw. der Beschneidung (eine Frage, die letztlich kirchlich geklärt wurde!) als Vergleich für das „Aushalten“ einer „Spannung“ bei „theologischen Dissensen“ zu bemühen (also etwa unterschiedliche Auffassungen zu der Frage: Ist das Ausleben von gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen oder gar die Lebensgemeinschaft zweier Männer oder Frauen aus christlicher Sicht vertretbar?), kommt einer theologischen Bankrotterklärung gleich. Wenn wir nicht mehr wissen, welcher Weg der richtige ist, soll eben jeder seinen Weg gehen und alles ist gut. Wir „halten diese Spannung aus“. Um Himmels willen, wohin bewegt sich diese Form des Protestantismus eigentlich noch?

„In der Observanz der Tora gewinnt die Identität Israels als das von Gott erwählte Volk in der Welt konkreten Ausdruck. Die Tora lässt sich daher nicht einfach als allgemein verbindliches „Gesetz“, als Summe einzelner ethischer Forderungen aus diesem Zusammenhang abstrahieren. Die Erfüllung der Tora stellt für Israel vielmehr die nach außen sichtbare Seite seiner Erwählung dar. „Gesetz“ ist daher nicht eine dem Menschen von außen entgegentretende, ihm auferlegte Forderung; die „Werke des Gesetzes“ bezeichnen nicht allgemein verbindliche moralische Handlungen.“


Nein, das Gesetz ist nicht nur eine Summe einzelner Forderungen. Es ist eine befreiende Botschaft, die dem Volk Israel beim Auszug aus der Knechtschaft mitgegeben wurde – aber es ist sehr wohl ein verbindlich zu befolgendes Gesetz! Was wäre die Alternative? Wir sehen das Ganze nur als Ausdruck unserer Erwählung durch Gott – und jeder entscheidet für sich, was gut und richtig ist und wir „halten diese Spannung aus“?


„Welche Handlungen, welches Verhalten sorgt dafür, dass die Gemeinde in ihrem besonderen kulturellen Kontext „scheint als Lichter in der Welt“ (Phil.2,15) und ihre Umwelt erkennt, dass das Licht des Evangeliums in ihr strahlt und sie erleuchtet?“


Welches „Licht des Evangeliums“ soll das denn sein, wenn man sich nicht auf den Inhalt dessen, was man glaubt und als wahr und richtig – und verbindlich! – anerkennt, einigen soll? Da hat dann wohl jeder seine eigene Taschenlampe.


„Die spezifisch christliche Identität sieht Paulus darin begründet, dass die vielen und verschiedenen Glieder der Ekklesia mit der Taufe „in Christus“ einer sind. Der Grund dieser Einheit liegt theologisch in der Rechtfertigung aus Glauben, die für Juden wie Heiden gleichermaßen gilt. Die sozialen und kulturellen Unterschiede – wie auch die Unterschiede zwischen den Geschlechtern und den sexuellen Identitäten – sind damit aufgehoben. (vgl. Gal. 3,28; 5,6; 6,15; Röm. 10,12f; 1. Kor. 10,17; 12,12f; Phlm. 16).“


Mitnichten sind Unterschiede in den „sexuellen Identitäten“ aufgehoben – zumindest nicht in der Sichtweise, auf die hier wohl angespielt wird! Wir können nicht mit der Mentalität des schwulen Aktivismus die Heilige Schrift auslegen! Wir können und dürfen nicht unsere eigene Weltsicht in die Bibel „hineinlesen“, sie also so lange zu drehen und zu wenden, bis sie mit unserer Meinung übereinstimmt – anstatt unser Leben und Denken so lange zu drehen und zu wenden, bis es mit den Aussagen der Bibel übereinstimmt!


Im Weiteren wird auf die Rechtfertigung allein durch den Glauben eingegangen. Auch dem widerspricht die Bibel, die man doch als alleinige Richtschnur sieht:


„Ihr seht, dass der Mensch aufgrund seiner Werke gerecht wird, nicht durch den Glauben allein.“
(Jak 2,24. Einheitsübersetzung)


„Ethisch leitend sind dementsprechend Normen, „die diese Dominanz der gemeinsamen Identität über das Trennende zum Ausdruck bringen, herstellen und bewahren können““

Wenn das heißen soll, dass es bezüglich gleichgeschlechtlicher Neigungen und dem Umgang damit verschiedene Meinungen geben darf und wir dann eben Normen finden sollen, die eine „gemeinsame Identität“ zum Ausdruck bringen, so muss ich sagen, will ich nicht wissen, welcher Natur diese „gemeinsame Identität“ sein soll. Mit dem christlichen Glauben hat so etwas meiner Meinung nach nichts mehr zu tun.


Als „theologische“ Begründung soll offenbar nicht die Beziehung der Menschen untereinander, sondern die Beziehung des Menschen zu Gott herhalten. Nun ist das eine jedoch nicht ohne das andere zu sehen und eine Beziehung zu Gott nicht im luftleeren Raum steht, sondern die Liebe zu Ihm ihren Ausdruck im befolgen Seiner Gebote finden muss, was uns Jesus ausdrücklich aufgetragen hat! Ein kleiner Junge tut ja auch nicht einfach, was er will, aber zu seinem Papa hat er ein liebevolles Verhältnis. Nein, er tut das, was ihm sein Papa gesagt hat, weil er weiß, das es nicht gut für ihn ist, wenn er das nicht tut – und außerdem seinen Vater weh tut und das Verhältnis der beiden belastet.


Dr. Mareile Lasogga, die Autorin des Papiers, sieht richtigerweise die Einheit der Kirche durch diese Auseinandersetzungen um gleichgeschlechtliche Neigungen gefährdet. Sie bemüht in diesem Zusammenhang „die theologische Begründung der von Paulus immer wieder ausgesproche¬nen Ermahnung, einander respektvoll und geduldig in Spannungen und trotz Spannungen zu ertragen.“ Dies geschieht wohl in der Absicht, die Menschen mit unterschiedlichen Meinungen mit einer biblischen Begründung dazu zu bewegen, sich trotz unterschiedlicher Auffassungen, „trotz Spannungen zu ertragen“. Das ist ein völlig verzerrtes und in der Konsequenz gefährliches und in die Irre führendes Verständnis von Paulus und der Bibel an sich. Ja, wir sollen uns trotz unserer Unzulänglichkeiten ertragen und lieben, wir sollen aber auch einander ermahnen und auf den richtigen Weg (zurück) bringen – und nicht einfach nur „Spannungen aushalten“. Es ist nicht egal, was jemand glaubt, vertritt und letztlich tut. Wenn ich ihn/sie liebe, muss ich auch alles daran setzen, dass er/sie wieder auf dem rechten Weg geht!


Ich kann nur hoffen, dass es noch Menschen innerhalb der Evangelischen Kirche gibt, die an die Wahrheiten der Bibel glauben und ihre Geschwister aus Liebe ermahnen und die Kirche als solche wieder zurück auf den rechten Weg führen!


München, 19.06.2014


Robert Gollwitzer

What Can the Church Do?


Children need acceptance and love from parents and from others. Whenever that love is not demonstrated, the child, who sees adults as perfect, believes that it is because of some fault in him or her. When a child feels rejected, he or she in turn rejects the adult in order to protect himself or herself from being emotionally hurt. This is called defensive detachment. It is not always the parent’s intention to hurt their child’s feelings. The problem may be the child’s perception of rejection. But most often dysfunctional parents produce dysfunctions in the lives of their children.

Further, other environmental factors such as sexual abuse or peer rejection can lead to defensive detachment that results in unmet emotional needs for love, security, and identity. These needs do not disappear as a child grows older. When puberty comes with its strong sexual feelings, they are sexualized and one day the youngster says, “I must be gay!”

Individuals can only change their desires by finding others of the same sex who will love and accept them where they are and who will, by building good healthy relationships with them, help restore them to a healthy heterosexuality.

The first step, of course, is to lead them into a vital relationship with Jesus Christ. “But,” someone may ask, “how can the church help those who have found Christ but who still struggle? We teach that Christians aren’t yet perfect. How do we help these men and women with their struggles?”

The church can train men and women to be mentors (which is just a popular word for disciple-makers). Mentors come alongside the struggler to befriend them and guide them into healthy relationships.

There are six qualifications for a good mentor:

(1) A good mentor should demonstrate a healthy self-confidence and possess a good moral character.

(2) A good mentor should possess a strong sense of their own masculinity or femininity and see themselves clearly as a man or as a woman.

(3) A good mentor should have a strong-ego strength. Their feelings should not be easily hurt and their boundaries should be in place. They should relate well to the opposite sex.

(4) A good mentor must be emotionally stable. They must be comfortable with their own feelings and be able to share those feelings with those they mentor.

(5) The mentor must be able to be physically affectionate so that they can supply what the person they are mentoring did not receive from their same sex parent. They must not be dependent on the person they are mentoring for their own emotional support.

(6) The mentor must pursue the relationship since defensive detachment makes it very difficult for the one they are mentoring to reach out. This is what a good parent should do when a child is hurt and pulls away and the mentor must now act in place of the parent.

The concept of same-sex mentoring is thoroughly scriptural. The Bible calls on older men to help younger men, while older women are to mentor younger women (see Titus 2:1-8).

If you were in deep, emotional trouble, wouldn’t you want someone to come beside you and gently show you the way out? And doesn’t the golden rule say, “Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets” (Matthew 7:12).

How can the church help those who struggle with same-sex attractions? By doing what the Bible has told it to do all along. As Dr. Elizabeth Moberly, a Christian research psychologist whose research in this area is most important, has written, “A defensive detachment from the same-sex love source, and consequent unmet needs for love, constitute the homosexual condition. Love is the basic problem, the great need, and the only solution. If we are willing to seek and mediate the healing and redeeming love of Christ, than healing for the homosexual will become a great and glorious reality.” [Homosexuality: A New Christian Ethic, (Cambridge: James Clarke & Company, 1983), p. 52]

--Elton M., Springfield, IL


From Homosexuals Anonymous: http://www.ha-fs.org/

 

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the homosexual next door


Loving Homosexuals as Jesus Would: A Fresh Christian Approach  von Chad W. Thompson
Brazos Press (30. Dezember 2004)
Taschenbuch / Sprache Englisch

DVD: Homosexuality & Christianity

Mit der Zeit gehen?

Ich habe echt die Nase voll von der Kirche. Jeder Kirche. Die leben doch noch in der Vergangenheit! Was Sex angeht, sollten die sich echt mal umstellen. Wir leben doch nicht mehr wie vor 2000 Jahren! Die Zeiten haben sich geändert. Es ist doch normal und schön, wenn die Menschen Sex haben. Da muss man doch nicht gleich heiraten oder gar "keusch" oder im Zölibat leben! Ich sage meinen Kindern auf jeden Fall, sie sollten die Katze nicht im Sack kaufen. Wenn sie einen Partner haben, sollen sie "es" ruhig mal ausprobieren. Was, wenn es nicht klappt? Nein, die Kirche muss sich definitiv ändern.

Solche Stellungnahmen hört man heutzutage am laufenden Band. Die verstaubte Kirche, die nicht mit der Zeit gehen will. Das verstaubte Buch, das vor 2000 Jahren geschrieben wurde und so gar nichts mit unserem Leben zu tun haben scheint.

Ist das wirklich so? Und sollte sich die Kirche der Zeit anpassen?

Nun - ja und nein. Ja, was bestimmte Formen angeht, nein, was den Inhalt angeht.

Gott hat uns bereits im Schöpfungsbericht in Genesis ein klares Konzept für menschliches Zusammenleben gegeben, dass sich wie ein roter Faden durch das Alte und Neue Testament zieht und auch von Jesus bekräftigt wurde: die heterosexuelle, monogame Liebe zwischen Mann und Frau im Rahmen einer lebenslangen Ehe.

Das soll nichts mehr mit uns zu tun haben? Wir sollten nicht die "Katze im Sack kaufen"?

Sex ist etwas unglaublich wertvolles und schönes. Warum es vergeuden? Warum sich wechselnden Partnern hingeben und sein Intimstes mit ihnen teilen, um sich dann wieder von ihnen zu trennen, weil "es" nicht funktioniert? Was, wenn es funktioniert und sich dann im Rahmen der Ehe herausstellt - aus welchen Gründen auch immer - das es auf einmal "nicht mehr funktioniert"? Trennt man sich dann vom Partner? Was für eine Partnerschaft wäre das?

Körperliche Liebe ist ein Ausdruck der Liebe zweier Menschen. In ihr verschmelzen sie und werden eins. Eine Ehe ist aber weit mehr als das. Eine Partnerschaft, die sich nur auf Sex und kurzfristige Hochgefühle gründet, wird kaum Bestand haben. Nicht umsonst spricht man heute von "Lebensabschnittsgefährten". Was für ein Wort - und doch sagt es so viel über heutige Beziehungen!

Und doch hat sich das Konzept biblischer Ehe durch die Jahrtausende bewährt. Es bietet den perfekten Rahmen nicht nur für Mann und Frau, sondern auch für die Erziehung der Kinder. Jedes andere Konzept muss hier zwangsweise versagen.

Der Schöpfer des Universums soll nichts von "unserer Zeit" gewusst haben, als er uns geschaffen hat? Als die Bibel geschrieben wurde? Aber wir - Seine Geschöpfe! - wissen es besser? Im Ernst??

Woher kommen dann all die vaterlosen Familien, die hohe Zahl von Geschlechtskrankheiten, ungewollten Schwangerschaften, Trennungen und dergleichen mehr?

Eine Kirche sollte dort mit der Zeit gehen, wo es darum geht, die Menschen mit zeitgemäßen Mitteln anzusprechen. Neue Formen der Evangelisation zu finden wäre hierfür ein Beispiel. Neue Formen der Berufungspastoral ein anderes. Wenn eine Kirche jedoch beginnt, an ihren Grundwerten, an der biblischen Wahrheit oder ihren Inhalten zu rütteln, nur um "mit der Zeit zu gehen" und mehr Besucher in die Kirche zu locken, unterschreibt sie ihr eigenes Todesurteil. Sünde, die widerspruchslos in der Gemeinde geduldet wird, breitet sich schnell wie eine Krebsgeschwulst im Körper aus. Und bald schon verschwindet die Gemeinde dann in der Bedeutungslosigkeit. Sie wollte wie die Welt werden, um der Welt zu gefallen. Gerade das darf sie nicht.

"Manchmal brauchen die Menschen etwas Beständiges" hat mir einmal Josef Mittermaier, Provinzial der bayerischen Kapuziner über die katholische Kirche gesagt.

Und damit hat er recht: was die Kirche betrifft, brauchen die Menschen etwas Beständiges.




Fragen...

Haben nicht alle Männer früher oder später homosexuelle Neigungen? Sollte deshalb die Kirche dem Thema nicht aufgeschlossener gegenüber stehen?

Solche Fragen hört man tatsächlich manchmal von Christen und sie sind auch ernst zu nehmen. "Neigungen" ist ein dehnbarer Begriffe. Männer werden gerade in jungen Jahren sehr leicht sexuell erregt - manchmal genügt hierfür bereits ein Blick auf die eigenen Geschlechtsorgane. Einmal vom Anblick eines anderen Mannes sexuell erregt worden zu sein, bedeutet also noch lange nicht, man hätte homosexuelle "Neigungen" (oft werden hier noch durch nichts belegte Statistiken aufgeführt). Und selbst wenn dem so wäre: als Christ sind wir Gottes Geboten verpflichtet. Wir wissen, dass uns Gott liebt. Wenn Er uns also Gebote erlässt, dann nicht, um uns herum zu kommandieren, sondern eben weil Er uns liebt und vor den Konsequenzen unserer Handlungen bewahren will.

 

Die Bibel darf man doch nicht wörtlich nehmen! Sie wurde zwar von Gott inspiriert, aber von Menschen geschrieben. Und Paulus hatte keine Ahnung von homosexuellen Neigungen, so wie wir sie heute kennen!

Hier begibt man sich auf gefährliches Glatteis. Zu sagen, die Bibel sei zwar inspiriert, aber gleichzeitig auch von Menschen - mit all ihren Fehlern - geschrieben, würde dem Missbrauch und der Willkür Tür und Tor öffnen. Wann auch immer uns etwas an der Bibel nicht passt, muss man es dann eben im Licht der damaligen Zeit oder mit dem Hintergrund des Schreibers sehen, der damals noch nicht das Hintergrundwissen hatte, das wir heute haben. Was gibt uns das Recht, so von der Bibel zu reden? Und wer bestimmt dann, was gilt und was zu verwerfen oder "umzuinterpretieren" ist? Dann kann man aus jedem A ein B machen - je nach Beleiben und "neuen wissenschaftlichen Erkenntnissen". Gott ist der Schöpfer des Universums. Zu behaupten, die von Gott inspirierte Bibel und deren Schreiber hätten keine Ahnung von der Homosexualität gehabt, so wie wir sie heute können, würde nicht nur bedeuten, Gott hätte keine Ahnung gehabt, was Er da eigentlich schuf, es würde uns mehr noch über Gott stellen. Abgesehen davon dürfte auch der Mensch Paulus, der hier oft angesprochen wird und der sehr weit herumgereist ist und unzählige Menschen getroffen haben dürfte, sehr wohl eine Ahnung von Homosexualität gehabt haben. Und es ist ja auch nicht so, dass sich Homosexualität im Laufe der Jahrtausende groß verändert hat - von äußerlichen Praktiken vielleicht einmal abgesehen. Gerade die, die hier immer mit der Genetik argumentieren, würden sich damit ja ein Eigentor schießen! Selbst wenn man aber dieses Argument gelten lässt, muss doch auch gesehen werden, dass Homosexualität in mehreren Büchern des Alten und Neuen Testaments, in mehreren Kulturen und über eine sehr, sehr lange Zeit verurteilt wurde. Und KEIN EINZIGES MAL wurde sie befürwortet!! Das sollte uns doch zu denken geben...

 

Noch ist doch gar nicht gekl?rt, was Homosexualität verursacht. Es könnte doch auch genetisch bedingt sein! Kann denn etwas Sünde sein, dass in unseren Genen ist?

Es ist erstaunlich, wie sich selbst Christen hier so leicht in die Irre führen lassen. Bleiben wir doch um der Diskussion willen bei dem Argument. Wo hört das dann auf? Was, wenn morgen genetische Mitursachen für Pädophilie, Alkoholismus, bestimmte Formen kriminellen Verhaltens entdeckt werden (hier soll keineswegs Homosexualität mit diesen Begriffen in eine Reihe gestellt werden, aber dieses Argument führt unweigerlich zu derartigen Konsequenzen!)? Ist dann all dies nicht mehr Sünde? Müssen wir dann die Bibel umschreiben? Nirgends in der Bibel finden wir einen Hinweis darauf, dass wir dieses oder jenes nicht tun dürfen, ausser wir hätten es in den Genen. Wenn ich genetisch bedingte Diabetes habe, darf ich auch nicht jedes Stück Torte essen, das auf dem Tisch steht - ich muss vielmehr lernen, damit zu leben (auch hier gilt: hiermit soll nicht Homosexualität mit Krankheiten gleichgesetzt werden. Es geht hier vielmehr um die irrige Annahme, dass etwas, was in irgendeiner Form Mitursachen in unserem Gencode hat, gleichzeitig deshalb moralisch akzeptabel sein muss). Es steht uns nicht zu, nach Gutdünken und mit unserer begrenzten menschlichen "Weisheit" Wahrheiten der Bibel umzuschreiben und am christlichen Menschenbild zu rütteln. An dieser Stelle soll auch noch auf etwas anderes hingewiesen werden: Was, wenn man mit dieser Überzeugung falsch liegt? Die Bibel warnt uns ausdrücklich davor, andere Menschen in die Irre zu führen und zur Sünde zu verleiten... Ausserdem vergisst man dabei auch oft die Tradtition und Lehrmeinung seiner eigenen Kirche - und dies in manchen Fällen über Jahrhunderte. Schließlich sind wir nicht Sklaven unseres Gencodes. Zu behaupten, es wäre genetisch bedingt und damit zu unterstellen, diese Menschen können ja gra nicht anders, zeugt von einem Menschenbild, das uns zu willenlosen Sklaven unserer Gene macht.

 

Wenn die Kirche das Ausleben von Homosexualität verbietet, werden solche Menschen doch nie sexuelle Erfüllung finden!

Also ist es besser, "sexuelle Erfüllung" in einem Kontext zu finden, der klar den biblischen Vorgaben widerspricht? Was für eine Theologie wäre denn das? Nein, wir ziehen den Hut vor all denen, die gleichgeschlechtliche Neigungen empfinden, aber für sich entschieden haben, dass sie Jesus mehr lieben als alles andere. Die ihr Kreuz auf sich nehmen und Jesus nachfolgen - auch wenn es nicht leicht wird. Aus eigenen Erfahrungen können wir Ihnen sagen: es lässt sich durchaus auch ein erfülltes Leben als Mensch mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen finden, ohne dabei Sex mit demselben Geschlecht haben zu müssen! Eine sexuelle "Erfüllung", die nicht den biblischen Vorgaben der monogamen und heterosexuellen, lebenslangen Ehe entspricht, ist keine "Erfüllung", sondern ein Bruch von Gottes Geboten und kann nie wahre Erf?llung bedeuten!

 

Eine Bekehrung von Homosexualität ist doch gar nicht möglich!

Die Frage ist, was man hiermit eigentlich sagen will. Der wissenschaftliche Hintergrund dieser Aussage sei mal dahingestellt (wir verweisen auf die este Langzeitstudie zu diesem Thema, die besonders auch auf den religiösen Hintergrund eingeht). Es geht aber hier nicht um "Bekehrung" im Sinne von "Umpolung". Es geht darum, ein Leben nach christlichen und biblisch begründeten Grundsätzen zu leben, und das schließt ein Ausleben von Homosexualität unserer Auffassung nach eindeutig aus. Es l?sst sich aber durchaus ein Leben führen, ohne dies tun zu müssen. Ein Leben, das erfüllt und reichhaltig ist.

 

Es ist doch besser, Homosexuelle führen eine verantwortungsvolle Partnerschaft als dass sie sich in der Szene herum treiben und mit mehreren Männern (bzw. Frauen) Sex haben! Zumindest ist es das kleinere Übel!

Also sollen wir den biblischen Grundsatz der monogamen, heterosexuellen und lebenslangen Ehe mal so einfach über Bord werfen? Als Christ mit dem "kleineren Übel" zu argumentieren, ist schon fast armselig. Es geht ja auch nicht nur darum, Menschen etwas zu "verbieten", sondern ihnen die positive Alternative hierzu zu zeigen: ein Leben in der Nachfolge Jesu Christi! Derartige "Argumente" zeugen von einem Menschenbild, das die Betroffenen zu ärmlichen, willensschwachen, triebgesteurten und hilflosen Individuen macht! Vielmehr sollte man Homosexuellen mit Liebe und Verständnis begegnen - vor allem, wenn sie sich entschlossen haben, ihre Neigungen nicht auszuleben, sondern ein Leben mit und für Jesus zu führen! Wir ziehen den Hut vor all denen, die dies auf sich nehmen und dafür neben ihren eigenen Versuchungen oft auf Spott, Angriffe und Unverständnis sto?en.

 

Es kommt doch nur darauf an, wie sich die Menschen lieben! Wenn sich zwei Männer mit einer selbstlosen Liebe lieben, ist das doch genauso in Ordnung wie wenn das ein Mann und eine Frau tun! Es ist doch nicht das Geschlecht, sondern nur die Liebesbeziehung wichtig!

Das würde bedeuten, wir würden unsere persönliche Liebe über die Liebe zu Christus stellen - und davor hat Er uns ausdrücklich gewarnt! Auch Spencer Tracey und Katherine Hepburn haben sich unsterblich geliebt, aber Spencer Tracey war verheiratet - und das nicht mit Katherine. Ehebruch bleibt Ehebruch, egal wie man das Kind nennt. Liebe macht nicht alles automatisch richtig und moralisch akzeptabel. Natürlich gibt es Homosexuelle, die sich sehr lieben und das soll hier gar nicht lächerlich gemacht werden. Aber als Christen vertrauen wir eben doch mehr dem, was uns unser Vater im Himmel gesagt hat - und eine Liebe, die nicht Seinen Vorgaben entspricht, ist für uns einfach nicht akzeptabel. Mal ganz abgesehen davon fragt man sich, warum im Durchschnitt homosexuelle Beziehungen so viel kurzlebiger als heterosexuelle sind, wenn die Liebe doch dieselbe ist. Und betrachtet man die vielen Faktoren, die zur Homosexualität beitragen, spielen da sehr oft noch ganz andere Sachen eine Rolle, die mit Liebe wie wir sie als Christen kennen, nicht zu tun haben (und das ist absolut wertneutral gemeint). Das soll Homosexuelle nun keineswegs schlecht machen oder ihre Gefühle verletzen, aber als Christen können wir einfach nicht allem nachgeben, auch wenn wir uns noch so sehr danach sehnen mögen...


Wir müssen endlich aufräumen mit den Vorurteilen, die auch und gerade in unseren Kirchen immer noch gegenüber Homosexuellen vorherrschen!

Diese Aussage mag zwar gut gemeint sein, beinhaltet aber - gewollt oder ungewollt - dass jegliche Meinung, die nicht vollumfassend akzeptiert, dass das Ausleben gleichgeschlechtlicher Neigungen gleichwertig mit der in einer heterosexuellen Ehe gelebten liebenden und lebensschenkenden Sexualitaet ist, auf Vorurteilen basiert. Hier wird jegliches vernünftige Argument gegen homosexuelle Akte und jegliche Sichtweise zu dem Thema gleichgeschlechtliche Neigungen, die nicht dem gesellschaftlichen Mainstream entspricht, von vorneherein ausgeschlossen. Solche Praktiken grenzen an die Praktiken totalitärer Systeme.

Selbstverständlich sollten wir grundsätzlich niemandem mit Vorurteilen begegnen. Aussagen wie die oben genannte meinen aber in der Regel nicht, einfach jeden Menschen bedingungslos zu lieben und ohne Vorbehalte zu begegnen, sondern sie zielen zumeist darauf ab, von anderen die uneingeschränkte Akzeptanz von Homosexualität zu fordern, andernfalls hätte man eben "Vorurteile". Das ist eine arrogante Sichtweise und wir wehren uns ausdrücklich gegen solche Bestrebungen.

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The Words We Use and How They Abuse

by Tim Wilkins

Some time ago, I wrote an article Is Our Silence a Sin of Omission? which was prompted by a derogatory term, used by a denominational leader, in referring to persons with same-sex attractions. I asked you to email your comments about the article – which many of you did. The article appears below in an abbreviated form - followed by some of your comments (both pro and con) and a dilemma I am facing since the article first appeared and for which I ask your suggestions. See "It gets worse."


Is Our Silence a Sin of Omission?
By Tim Wilkins

A denominational leader recently referred to persons with same-sex attractions as "sodomites." Such language is as reprehensible as Ann Coulter's language a few months ago when she spoke of presidential hopeful John Edwards.

Beloved preacher John Stott writes, "However strongly we may disapprove of homosexual practices, we have no liberty to dehumanize those who engage in them." Unfortunately such language is more prevalent in some Christian circles than realized.

One can expect misguided individuals (and there are many) to make denigrating remarks about such persons, but is it a sin of omission for genuine followers of Jesus Christ to remain silent when such remarks are made?

I, a former homosexual, believe so.

Do you remember what "sin of omission" means? A Sunday school teacher asked her class of six-year-olds what sins of omission were and a little boy replied "Those are sins we should have committed, but didn't."

Wrong answer. James 4:17 says "Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do, and does not do it, to him it is sin."

Edmund Burke said "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." This quote is often used to encourage Christians in fighting societal ills, (gambling, abortion, homosexuality, pornography, etc.) but isn't this quote also pertinent in encouraging believers to politely speak their mind when another believer makes offensive comments?

I want all persons with same-sex attractions, whether embracing or rejecting such attractions, to know I do not condone these remarks. Moreover, I am asking you if you condone them.

Most likely you do not, but are you willing to respectfully say so? Many of you have children, friends, co-workers who are dealing with homosexuality?
If you believe "sodomite" and such speech to be inappropriate, I’m asking you to email me your thoughtful and respectful remarks which I will include in a forthcoming newsletter. (End of article)

The denominational leader has since gone further, writing - “…there is nothing ‘gay’ about a bunch of sodomites who are dying young and trying to take as many with them as they can. Secondly, these light-in-the-loafer folks always don't like anything I do because I am a God-lover, not a God-hater like most of them. They are afraid someone like me will remind them of God's attitude toward sodomites. Look at His redevelopment plan for Sodom and Gomorrah.”
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Here are some responses that disagreed with my article.

“I see nothing wrong in calling a sodomite a sodomite, a queer a queer. The queers, Satan's spawn have infested our schools, our work places, our entertainment, etc. I do not hate the person but I definitely HATE THE SIN and THE QUEER AGENDA. Our sin of Omission here in the good old PC USA is that not enough of us have the courage to WAKE UP AND SPEAK OUT. We must do all we can to keep sodomites away from our children. I am unsubscribing from you and your tolerance of queers.”
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“You are not a ‘former homosexual.’ You are a homosexual who is married and is taking advantage of vulnerable gay men by making them feel guilty about themselves - and you are making money off of it to boot. You are as despicable -- if not even more so -- than the closeted hypocrites like _____________ or ______________ who, by the way, are married and have children. How you manage to look at yourself in the mirror, or at your wife and children, everyday is even more offensive.”

(Note from Cross: Cross Ministry does not make money; we operate on a deficit.)
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“I'm unsubscribing from your newsletter. I understand that you are a former homosexual, so you have great compassion and understanding for their need. However, I don't agree with you saying it's wrong in a sermon to call homosexuality sodomy. It is what it is. Perhaps the preaching of God's Word will bring conviction and repentance. You want to water down the TRUTH of God's Word??? I just don't understand your thinking on this. I will not read or support your ministry anymore.”

(Note from Cross Ministry: We checked our records; the writer has never supported Cross Ministry)

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Others agreed with the article.

“I concur - the term ‘sodomite’ shouldn't be used by Christians, especially leaders in the pulpit. The use of ‘sodomite’ by many Christians identifies those who don't want to get their hands dirty and deal with homosexuality at all. They fail to realize the scores of silent individuals who deal with this issue privately, but dare not confess because of our lack of love.”
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“I am an ordained minister and have been so for 13 years. I'm also an ex-gay who has been completely encounter-free for over 21 years- Praise the Lord. The things we ministers say in the pulpit, as well as things said by believers in the Lord Jesus in general, have a bearing on whether sinners in general will come to repentance and faith in Christ. I'm also reminded of Romans 2:4 which tells us "...that God's kindness leads [us] toward repentance." For those who possess the Spirit of God, we are some of the most unkind and rude people toward sinners.”
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“As an ex-gay, I've had to endure the preaching of well-meaning but ignorant ministers who called homosexuality the most heinous of sins. Having to endure such preaching made me withdraw and keep it to myself. I went for years before I could ever openly talk about my past and present struggles. It's hard to believe, but many men and women dealing with this issue are often the most depressed. I was one of them, even as a believer. Such depression is reinforced by the lack of understanding and the abundance of ignorance, impatience, coldness, and apathy displayed in words and actions by believers. I know this firsthand.”
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“If we Christians would allow God’s Spirit to permeate our hearts, we would be able to minister effectively to all sinners, including homosexuals, just like Paul did. Imagine being able to say just like Apostle Paul ‘And that is what some of you were.’ (1 Cor. 6:11)”
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“I have a child who is homosexual. I'm pretty sure God wants me to start a family support group here, and I appreciate the heads-up that we will probably have to support it from our own funds. Being pro-traditional marriage and opposed to candidates who support sin should not make people anti-ministry, unless they are members of a church club rather than the body of Christ.”
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“It is unfortunate to hear someone use the term. Not only is it offensive to those with the homosexual attractions, it is offensive to me and to others. In my mind, it reveals a deep misunderstanding of the love of God. It also reveals a degree of arrogance and superiority.”
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“The power to impact and draw people does not lie in our critical and pious attitude; it lies in our ability to reach out and express the love of God that has been extended to us. Who of us got right with our Creator because someone was harsh and insensitive towards us?”
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“I believe you are a warrior. Thank you for your stand. We do more condemning than we do loving in this area. We work in Los Angeles and it is a center for the gay community. No one ever responds to Christ when dehumanized, but love always wins. I am so happy Jesus loves me in the ugliness of my sin; how can I condemn another? Let love rule!”
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“I’m writing in response to your article. A few weeks ago a friend of mine and my husbands was at a house we were working on. Another friend, who is homosexual and does not know the Lord, was also there. The first friend I mentioned, "Tom" had some comments to make about my homosexual friend after he left and we were alone. Although at first the comments were not inappropriate, I could tell they could go that way and could become mean-spirited. It was a situation where I knew I should speak up. So before I let it get that far I said there are far worse things that could be going on in someone’s heart that can’t be seen. My friend’s homosexuality is out there for everyone to notice and comment on, yet seemingly church-going people walk around everyday with bitterness, unforgiveness, and hatred hidden where no one can see or comment upon. I believe "Tom" got my point, that I was not going to allow my homosexual friend to be put down in that way. I want to minister to my homosexual friend’s heart.”
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My purpose of this writing is one of encouragement. Just as you do, I believe that love for your fellow man is absolutely necessary - it is a modus operandi, a way to go about things. It is that which our Lord Jesus Christ showed us, by dying on the cross: His undying love for us. This modus operandi is one we have to acquire, receive, pursue and pass on. This then, is the way we talk and the way we act. And I believe that you and your ministry are doing exactly that.

Whenever somebody talks about other people in words that are just sneers about some conduct (another modus operandi), it is like fighting fire with fire. Instead, we should fight fire with love.”
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“In regards to the remarks people make about homosexuality and those practicing it; I have a son who is homosexual.

I don’t appreciate the remarks people make about him. When they speak about homosexuality they are including him without knowing how much pain it causes me to hear what they call him and how much pain it causes him to know others say these things. That is one of the reasons homosexuals buck up and defend their rights so adamantly.

God loves my son as much as He loves all the preachers in the world, and all the followers of Christ. He died for us and for my son. To make debasing words about homosexuals makes it harder to try and show them God’s love. I know ‘with God all things are possible’, but please people, with all the love that God has to give, try harder to show that love and not your own hatred toward any who are living in sin.”
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“Just to let you know that I, too, disagree with the derogatory terms that Christians (especially pastors) have used. I have struggled with homosexuality most of my life even though I accepted Christ when I was 22. I am thankful for men of God like you who stand up for us who struggle.”
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“Thank you for this response and I will tell you that I wholeheartedly believe that the church daily practices sins of omission when we stand by and allow people to be degraded because of the sin in which they are entrapped. So often people assume the role of the Pharisees and dehumanize those caught in sin to a point of recognizing them solely by their sin. By ignoring the image of God written on the heart of every sinner, we who so often throw stones commit the one sin that we are told God hates-- pride.”
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“I read your article concerning the term ‘sodomite’. I, too, find it extremely offensive. I think of Jesus ministering to the woman at the well who had ‘known’ several men. Jesus did not refer to her as a harlot or a whore, but spoke to her with respect and compassion as a person of value, ministering to her need. He never once devalued her as a human. My father, who does not yet know that his oldest grandson (my son) is gay (he will soon because I am telling him), used this term the other day. While offended, I said nothing. It will not happen again, I can promise you that. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. No wonder so many view Christians as hypocrites and insensitive. I am afraid we often look more like the Pharisees than Jesus. God help us! God help me!”
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“Your article touched my heart. My daughter is 22 years old and actively homosexual. About two years ago, two former homosexual men, one former homosexual woman, and my husband and I attempted to start a ministry in Longview, Texas for those struggling with same-sex attractions, their friends and families. We probably didn't have enough experience, but we did have the heart. We sent letters to every church in our area (256 churches) explaining our ministry and the hope for recovery through a relationship with Jesus Christ. We received not a single reply to our letter.

I talked extensively with our pastor about the need for this ministry and at first he seemed receptive. He agreed to let us have a Sunday service to present a skit I had written and to allow one of the former homosexual men to give his testimony. The pastor later told me the congregation was not ready to receive this particular message! I was shocked.

Also, even my personal friends who know I have a lesbian daughter and are in a music ministry with me, continue to make fun of and degrading remarks about homosexuals. I did call them on it a few weeks ago and asked them how we were supposed to reach these people with the gospel and show love to them like Christ has commanded if they continue to make disparaging remarks. They had no answer and, in fact, largely ignored it. It continues to be frustrating when those experiencing same sex attractions and those actively engaged in homosexuality need to see the love of Christ through us. They are not seeing it, so why should they come to Christ? I am mailing a check for $250 to support your ministry. God bless you!”
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It Gets Worse!

(Tim Wilkins picks up here.) Some time ago I was asked to write a feature article for a pro-family organization to which I devoted much time and prayer. I wrote compassionately so as to lovingly persuade those from a differing view to see my belief on homosexuality. Thus I avoided all demeaning words.

I was stunned when the organization sent me their edited version of my article. It bore little resemblance to my original article, though they had not interjected it with crude language. Had they done so, I would have politely pulled the article.

However, when the printed version premiered, it contained language that I had neither written nor had been in the edited version. Someone decided that “sodomy” needed to be interwoven into my article. Am I mad? Absolutely! Do I have a right to be? Absolutely!

Any publishing group has the right to edit and/or reject an article they have asked to be written. What they do not have is the right to punctuate my article with denigrating terms and send it to the printer without my foreknowledge. Had I known, I would have said “no way.”

No, I have not decided how to respond to this travesty. I am open to suggestions – which can be emailed at http://www.crossministry.org/contact.php (You may remain anonymous if you like)

 

 

MSC Herz Jesu Missionare

Gott liebt uns doch alle!

Gerade ihr als Christen solltet doch wissen, dass Gott uns alle liebt!

Tun wir. Auch wenn manche unter uns oft noch Schwierigkeiten haben, an die Liebe Gottes zu glauben - angesichts der Verfehlungen, die sie sich geleistet haben. Aber so ist Gott: wenn wir bekennen, bereuen und uns ändern, vergibt Er uns. Er liebt uns so sehr, dass Er Seinen Sohn hingegeben hat, um für UNS zu sterben!

Was mit derartigen Statements aber oft unterschwellig zum Ausdruck kommt: Gott liebt uns, egal was wir tun. Wir können weitermachen wie bisher, tun und lassen, was wir wollen - Gott liebt uns. Alles ist gut.

Eine Schwester in Christus sage mir einmal: "Wenn wir sündigen ist, das so, als würden wir Christus anspucken. Er ist für uns gestorben und ließ sich ans Kreuz schlagen - und wir spucken auf Ihn!".

Da steckt eine Menge Wahrheit drin.

Gott liebt uns, soviel ist sicher. Aber lieben wir Ihn genauso? Entgegen weitläufiger Meinung ist Gott durchaus auch ein Gott, der gefürchtet werden will. Gerade weil Er uns liebt, hat Er uns mehrmals ausdrücklich davor gewarnt, uns von Ihm abzuwenden und ein Leben zu führen, das nicht Seinen Grundsätzen entspricht. Er hat uns aber auch die freie Wahl gelassen. Wir können uns für oder gegen Ihn entscheiden. Wie auch immer unsere Wahl ausfallen wird, sie hat Konsequenzen. Trotz oder gerade wegen der Liebe Gottes.

Jesus hat uns gesagt, dass das Tor zum Himmel eng ist und der Weg beschwerlich. Nur wenige werden ihn gehen - die meisten wählen das breite Tor, zu dem ein weitaus bequemerer Weg führt. Er hat uns nie versprochen, dass es leicht wird - Er hat nur gesagt, dass es sich lohnen würde.

Gott liebt uns. Das ist aber für uns kein Freiticket für ein Verhalten frei nach Lust und Laune, nach dem Motto: Gott liebt uns trotzdem, egal, was wir tun. Uns wird schon nichts geschehen.

Wenn man sich da mal nicht irrt.


Liebe den Sünder, hasse die Sünde!

Wer hat diesen Satz noch nicht gehört: Wir sollen den Sünder lieben, aber die Sünde - also das, was er/sie tut, hassen.

Natürlich stimmt das im Prinzip, jedoch raten wir sehr davon ab, Sätze wie diese zu benutzen, und zwar aus folgenden Gründen:

1) Mit Allgemeinplätzen und Binsenwahrheiten, so wahr sie auch sein mögen, überzeugt man wohl kaum irgend jemand.

2) Wir lieben also den Sünder. Wann haben wir denn das letzte mal konkret, praktisch und völlig uneigennützig gezeigt, dass wir einen Menschen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen lieben? Sollte das nämlich nicht der Fall sein, geht ein derartiger Satz schnell nach hinten los!

3) Der Adressat eines solchen Satzes ist wohl ein Mensch mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen. Wir wollen ihm damit mitteilen, dass wir ihn/sie als Menschen lieben, aber das, was er/sie tut, ablehnen. Gut und schön, aber ein Mensch mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen denkt in der Regel, er IST so, wie er ist. Für ihn/sie geht es hier nicht um ein Verhalten, sondern um seine Identität, die er/sie genausowenig zu ändern vermag (zumindest denkt er/sie dies), wie ein Mensch seine Hautfarbe verändern kann. Er/sie kann also nicht einfach etwas ablegen, was ihn/sie in seiner tiefsten Persönlichkeit ausmacht. Ganz im Gegenteil: weil er/sie denkt, dass seine Identität homosexuell ist, führt ein Satz wie oben genannter zumeist dazu, dass er/sie sich al Mensch abgelehnt fühlt - ob das nun gewollt ist oder nicht. In der Regel wird er/sie deshalb auch sehr verärgert, verletzt und/oder aggressiv reagieren oder den Absender dieser Botschaft als verlogen, scheinheilig oder bestenfalls rückständig, verbohrt und dumm ansehen.

Anstatt also einfach mit platten Allerweltswahrheiten zu kommen (selbst wenn sie einen wahren Kern haben!), sollten wir dieselbe Botschaft lieber praktisch ausdrücken und den Betroffenen zeigen, dass wir sie lieben - aber ihnen auch verständlich machen, dass es für uns als Christinnen und Christen gewisse Grenzen gibt, die wir im gegenseitigen Umgang doch eingehalten haben möchten.

Der Mensch ist frei - deshalb müssen wir auch liebende homosexuelle Beziehungen anerkennen!

"Der Mensch aber ist frei und darf nicht zum Instrument anderer gemacht werden. Seine Natur ist genau diese Freiheit und Selbstbestimmung. So gehört etwa zur Sexualität sowohl die Fortpflanzung als auch die menschliche Gemeinschaft und Zuneigung. Das kirchliche Lehramt ist hier nicht konsequent, da es die Fortpflanzung der Tiere einfach auf die Menschen überträgt und letztere nicht als freie Personen sieht. Sexualität ist aber Ausdruck der freien menschlichen Pers?nlichkeit. Somit muss sexuelles Verhalten akzeptiert werden, wenn sich dadurch die Liebe zweier freier Menschen ausdrückt. Wer also die liebende Paarbeziehung in einer Ehe akzeptiert, kann nicht gleichzeitig sexuelle Akte in einer gleichgeschlechtlichen Beziehung verwerfen, weil ihnen die Fortpflanzung fehlt. Wer Homosexuelle als Personen anerkennt, muss also auch ihre Beziehungen anerkennen."


Wir sind ja bereits teilweise auf derartige Argumente eingegangen, die zwar gut gemeint sein m?gen, die wir als Christinnen und Christen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen (!) aber trotzdem - oder gerade deswegen! - aus tiefstem Herzen ablehnen.

Der Mensch ist frei - so weit, so gut. Die Freiheit der persönlichen Entscheidung ist ein wesentlicher Grundsatz des christlichen Glaubens, wenngleich diese Freiheit auch auf der Gnade Gottes basiert, die der Freiheit zuvor kommt. Gott hat es uns überlassen, uns für oder gegen Ihn zu entscheiden. Er zwingt uns zu nichts. Wir sollten uns aber wohl bewusst sein, dass diese Entscheidung - in welcher Richtung sie auch getroffen wird - Konsequenzen haben wird. Wer aber als Christ argumentiert, dass ein solcher auch die Freiheit hat, für sich selbst und abweichend von den Lehren der Bibel und der Kirche als Leib Christi Entscheidungen zu treffen, die als vom christlichen Standpunkt her akzeptabel gelten sollen, der irrt gewaltig. Der Papst hat dies mit "moralischen Relativismus" bezeichnet - eine höchst gefährliche Entwicklung, bei der der/die Einzelne darüber entscheidet, was gut, richtig und wahr ist. Wenn es darüber aber keinen allgemeinen gesellschaftlichen Konsens mehr gibt, wenn man Gott aus der Gesellschaft verbannt und den Menschen auf Seinen Thron setzt, werden wir in wenigen Generationen wieder zurück in der Barbarei sein. Berets George Washington hat festgestellt, dass es keine Demokratie ohne Moral und keine Moral ohne Religion gibt. Ohne ewige Belohnung oder ewige Verdammnis haben die Menschen keinen Grund mehr, gut zu sein.

Es ist eine komplette Verdrehung sowohl biblischer Aussagen wie der Lehre der Kirche in den letzten 2.000 Jahren, zu meinen, man könne den Grundsatz der christlichen Ehe durchbrechen. Für Christen ist eine Ehe ein Sakrament, das den Bund Jesu zur Kirche widerspiegelt. Eine lebenslanger, monogamer und heterosexueller Bund zwischen Mann und Frau, der der Fortpflanzung und dem Wohl der Ehepartner dient. Dieser Standard beginnt in Genesis und wird durch die gesamte Bibel - über Tausende von Jahren und in verschiedensten Kulturen - aufrechterhalten und von Jesus selbst best?tigt. Wer nun meint, dies trennen zu dürfen, endet - gewollt oder ungewollt - bei untragbaren Resultaten. Beispiele hierfür wären etwa die Empfängnisverhütung, bei der es nur mehr um das Wohl der Ehepartner geht, oder die Abtreibung. Auch gleichgeschlechtliche Beziehungen weichen von diesem Standard ab. Manche mögen nun anführen, sie dienen doch dem Wohl der Partner als freie Personen, da diese Menschen eben nicht anders können. Dies aber ist eine eigenmächtige Verdrehung der Bibel wie des kirchlichen Lehramts. Aus humanistischer - oder gar hedonistischer - Sicht mag dies akzeptabel sein. Wer den Menschen zum Zentrum des Universums macht und mit ihm moderne Wissenschaft, mag so argumentieren. Für Christinnen und Christen ist das aber nicht annehmbar. Das "Wohl" der Partner ist keineswegs erfüllt, wenn zwei Menschen des gleichen Geschlechts zusammen Spaß haben, da Wohl im christlichen Sinn etwas anderes bedeutet wie aus der Sicht eines ungläubigen Menschen. Haben nun Menschen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen wirklich keine andere Möglichkeit? Nun, sehen wir uns die Bibel selbst an:

"Daher soll die Sünde euren sterblichen Leib nicht mehr beherrschen, und seinen Begierden sollt ihr nicht gehorchen. Stellt eure Glieder nicht der Sünde zur Verfügung als Waffen der Ungerechtigkeit, sondern stellt euch Gott zur Verfügung als Menschen, die vom Tod zum Leben gekommen sind, und stellt eure Glieder als Waffen der Gerechtigkeit in den Dienst Gottes." (Röm 6,12-13. Einheitsübersetzung)

"Angesichts des Erbarmen Gottes ermahne ich euch, meine Brüder, euch selbst als lebendiges und heiliges Opfer darzubringen, das Gott gefällt; das ist für euch der wahre und angemessene Gottesdienst." (R?m 12,1 ? Einheits?bersetzung)

Gott sagt nicht, dass es keinerlei Versuchungen mehr geben wird. Er will Gehorsam - unabhängig etwa von den Ursachen von Homosexualität. Menschen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen haben sich diese nicht ausgesucht, aber Gott fordert von uns klar und deutlich, das, was uns als natürlich erscheint und möglicherweise bis zu einem gewissen Grad auch nicht zu verändern ist, beiseite zu legen und Ihm als lebendige Opfer hinzugeben. Nur dann k?nnen und werden wir wahren Frieden finden.

Die Selbstbestimmung des Menschen ist somit nicht nur ein Recht und Geschenk, sondern auch eine (Auf-)Gabe. Sie bedeutet aus christlicher Sicht nicht, zu tun, wonach einem ist, sondern Jesus nachzufolgen und Gottes Gebote zu halten. Dies ist keine Versklavung oder blinder Verpflichtung, sondern Ausdruck wahrer Freiheit.

Was homosexuelle Beziehungen angeht, so fehlen diesen wie gesagt die Grundsvoraussetzungen einer christlichen Ehe. Unter anderem bedeutet dies auch die Möglichkeit der Fortpflanzung, die im übrigen auch heterosexuelle Paare nicht einfach durch Empfängnisverhütung ausschließen dürfen! Gott hatte einen Plan für uns. Er hat uns geschaffen und sollte am besten wissen, was gut für uns ist. Und nicht zuletzt Jesus selbst hat uns gesagt, dass nicht jeder für die Ehe geschaffen ist. Dies heißt keineswegs, dass wir dazu verdammt sind, alleine zu sein. Viele von uns leben als Singles und haben trotzdem ein erfülltes Leben. Wir haben gelernt, unsere besonderen Gaben zu nutzen und unseren ganz pers?nlichen Weg gefunden. Seinen Weg.

Gerade weil wir die liebende Beziehung in einer heterosexuellen, monogamen Ehe akzeptieren und uns selbst als Menschen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen anerkennen und lieben gelernt haben, warnen wir vor dem Trugschluss, gleichgeschlechtliche Beziehungen als gleichwertig mit dem biblischen Standard zu sehen und zu akzeptieren. Damit tut ihr Menschen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen keinen Gefallen! Das heißt nichts anderes als zu sagen, der biblische und kirchliche Standard liegt bei 100 %, aber für die, die es nicht bis dahin schaffen, vergessen wird diesen Standard auch oder geben uns mit 50 % (etwa im Falle einer Ehescheidung bei heterosexuellen Paaren) zufrieden. Das ist eine armselige - wenn auch gutgemeinte - Theologie. Ihr würdet uns weitaus mehr helfen, wenn ihr uns klar Gottes Standard vermittelt und uns mit Liebe, aber bei Bedarf auch mit Ermahnungen, helft, diesen Standard einzuhalten bzw. unsere ganz besondere Begabung in einer aus christlicher Sicht akzeptablen Art und Weise zu nutzen.

Wer meint, Sexualität sei der Ausdruck der freien menschlichen Persönlichkeit und deshalb müsse man auch sexuelles Verhalten als ebensolchen Ausdruck anerkennen, wenn es die Liebe zweier Menschen ausdrückt, ist nicht nur gewaltig auf dem Holzweg, sondern öffnet - gewollt oder ungewollt - Missbrauch und Willkür Tür und Tor. Nicht alles, was im Namen von "Liebe" geschieht, ist auch richtig und gut - zumindest nicht aus christlicher Sicht. Spencer Tracy, der berühmte Schauspieler, liebte etwa Katherine Hepburn unsterblich. Die beiden waren auch ein Paar. Spencer war aber verheiratet - und das nicht mit Katherine. Auch wenn sich die beiden noch so sehr geliebt haben, bleibt das doch Ehebruch, da sie ihre Liebe über die Liebe zu Gott und Seinen Geboten gestellt haben. Nicht alles, auf das wir das Etikett "Liebe" kleben, wird damit auch richtig. Dies ist eine sehr naive Auffassung und für Christinnen und Christen nicht akzeptabel.

Ohne beides vergleichen zu wollen, aber doch mit dem Hinweis, dass mit einer solchen Argumentation - bewusst oder unbewusst - ein Tor geöffnet wird, das man kaum mehr schließen kann: Auch Pädophilie argumentieren nun mit der "liebenden" und "verantwortungsvollen" sexuellen Beziehungen zu Minderjährigen. Soll das nun heißen, dass man das auch anzuerkennen hat? Wenn nicht, warum nicht, hat man doch dieses Argument einmal gelten lassen?

Wie wir bereits mehrmals festgestellt haben, würden wir uns nicht als "Homosexuelle" bezeichnen. Wir sind und bleiben das, als das uns Gott geschaffen hat: Heterosexuelle, die - aus welchen Gründen auch immer (und sollten diese "genetisch" sein!) - ein gleichgeschlechtliches Problem haben. Gerade weil wir uns als solche Personen anerkennen, sprechen wir uns gegen gleichgeschlechtliche Beziehungen aus. Was aus nichtchristlicher oder rein weltlicher Sicht akzeptabel oder "vernünftig" klingen mag, ist für uns nicht annehmbar, da es uns von der Liebe Gottes trennen würde. Unsere Sehnsucht und Liebe zu Gott ist aber stärker als alle anderen Sehnsüchte. Viele von uns machten bereits die Erfahrung, was es heißt, uns von Gott abzuwenden - wir möchten das nicht noch einmal durchmachen müssen. Von christlichen Theologinnen und Theologen aber wünschen wir uns mehr als gutgemeinte, aber wenig hilfreiche theologische Hintertürchen.

Nein, wir sind keine Fanatiker, die Wissenschaft und Vernunft ablehnen. Vielleicht ist es gerade diese gottgegebene Vernunft, die uns zurück zu Gott gebracht hat und erkennen ließ, wie verzerrt unsere Sichtweise von uns selbst in unserer Zeit in der schwulen Szene war und welch unglaubliche Befreiung und Liebe wir erfahren durften, nachdem wir zurück in Gottes Arme gekehrt sind.

(Quelle: u.a. Joe Dallas: The Gay Gospel? How Pro-Gay Advocates Misread the Bible (Harvest House Publishers, ISBN-13: 978-0-7369-1834-3. ISBN-10: 0-7369-1834-5). Besonders zu empfehlen - ebenso wie die übrigen Werke von Joe Dallas!)

Quelle: Jason Ministries: www.freewebs.com/jason-online


CHRISTIAN ANTHROPOLOGY AND HOMOSEXUALITY - 13
Moral criteria for evaluating homosexuality

Livio Melina
Professor of Moral Theology at the John Paul II
Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family,
Pontifical Lateran University, Rome

The heated public debate on homosexuality involves different approaches to the topic that are sometimes mixed with one another and not free from confusion based on self-interest. It is rare to find the complex psychological problems which are typical of the homosexually oriented personality distinguished from questions associated with the "gay" culture and the life-styles influenced by it; it is even harder to separate the just requirements of non-discrimination from demands for the full legalization of homosexual unions.

In this situation, the positive achievement of the due respect that should always be shown a person, who can never be identified merely by his sexual orientation or actions, and the discovery of the deep psychological and social influences inherent in homosexuality are confused with other cultural factors, giving rise to a growing uncertainty and virtual eclipse of the ability to determine the objective criteria for moral evaluation. The loss of the authentic normative value of human nature and the consequent subjectivization of the moral sense are associated with an erotization of the surrounding culture and an emphasis on the right to sexual pleasure, which after exalting personal freedom, paradoxically submits the individual to the determinism of his impulses by censuring any moral demand.

In this paper, we will distinguish three aspects of the problem: first we will point out the guiding criteria for an objective moral evaluation of homosexual acts, then we will examine subjective influences, and lastly we will look at certain challenges raised by the "gay" culture.

Moral evaluation of homosexual acts

1. The choice to begin with an evaluation of homosexual acts depends precisely on the moral viewpoint we adopt. To be able to express an evaluation in terms of moral good or evil, the person's free will, by which he determines himself through the choices he makes, must come into play. In fact morality is concerned with what proceeds from personal freedom, that is, those human acts which, "to the extent that they are deliberate choices, .., give moral definition to the very person who performs them, determining his profound spiritual traits" (Veritatis splendor, n. 71).

Homosexual acts are thus taken into moral consideration in so far as they are deliberate choices while the psychological influences on freedom are examined at a later point to the extent that they diminish the person's moral responsibility or are a challenge to it.

Like every human act, homosexual behaviour must also be evaluated first of all on the basis of "objective criteria ... criteria drawn from the nature of the human person and of human action" (Gaudium et spes, n. 51). It is a question of those "principles of the moral order which have their origin in human nature itself and which concern man's full development and sanctification" (Persona humana, n. 4). In fact, "acting is morally good when the choices of freedom are in conformity with man's true good", corresponding to the wise design of God and indicated by his commandments, which are "a path that leads to life" (Veritatis splendor, n. 72).

Now, the moral tradition of the Church, based on the light of Revelation and natural reason, has always stressed unequivocally that "the use of the sexual function has its true meaning and moral rectitude only in legitimate marriage" (Persona humana, n, 5). Human sexuality is included in that primordial and good plan of God the Creator, who called man and woman with their reciprocal complementarity to be an image of his own love and responsible collaborators in the procreation of new individuals. Therefore, objective meanings are inherent in the physical acts related to sexuality and represent as many calls to achieve the person's moral good. The Second Vatican Council, speaking of the norms of conjugal morality, justified their value precisely as being directed to keeping the exercise of sexual acts within "the context of true love", by safeguarding "the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation" (Gaudium et spes, n. 51).

Through the symbolism of the sexual difference which marks their bodily nature, man and woman are called to achieve two closely connected values: 1) the gift of self and the acceptance of the other in an indissoluble union (una caro), and 2) openness to the transmission of life. Only in the context of legitimate marriage are these values proper to sexuality adequately respected and achieved.

If we now consider homosexual activity in the light of these objective criteria and in comparison to the heterosexual marital relationship, its intrinsic contradiction to the above-mentioned meanings is obvious. First, homosexual behaviour lacks that unitive meaning in which "an authentic gift of self" can take place. In fact, only in the conjugal sexual relationship between a man and woman does their reciprocal complementarity, based on their sexual difference, allow them to become the "one flesh" of a communion of persons who together constitute one and the same procreating principle. The gift of self and the acceptance of the other are real, because they are based on the recognition of otherness and on the totality of the act which expresses them. The gift of the body is a real sign of self-giving at the level of the persons. The meeting of one person with another is expressed with respect for the symbolism of the sexed body. It therefore takes place as a true gift of self and as true acceptance of the other, and includes body and soul in a single and intentionally totalizing act.

In the homosexual act, on the other hand, that true reciprocity which makes the gift of self and the acceptance of the other possible cannot take place. By lacking complementarity, each one of the partners remains locked in himself and experiences his contact with the other's body merely as an opportunity for selfish enjoyment. At the same time, homosexual activity also involves the illusion of a false intimacy that is obsessively sought and constantly lacking. The other is not really "other"; he is like the self: in reality, he is only the mirror of the self, which confirms it in its own solitude, exactly when the encounter is sought, This pathological "narcissism" has been identified in the homosexual personality by the studies of many psychologists (L. Ovesey, O. F. Kernberg). Hence great instability and promiscuity prevail in the most widespread model of homosexual life, which is why the view advanced by some of encouraging "stable" and institutionalized unions seems completely unrealistic (J. F. Harvey).

Secondly, it is obvious that the homosexual act also lacks openness to the procreative meaning of human sexuality. In the sexual relationship of husband and wife, their bodily act of mutual self-giving and acceptance is ordered to a further good which transcends both of them: the good of that new life which can be born from their union and to which they are called to dedicate themselves. It is the logic of love itself, which requires this further dimension and transcendence without which the sexual act risks turning in on itself, by concentrating on the search for pleasure alone and literally sterilizing itself.

Through its openness to procreation, the intimate act of the spouses becomes part of time and history, and is woven into the fabric of society. The homosexual act, on the contrary, has no roots in the past and does not extend to any future; it is not grafted onto the community or the succession of generations. It remains locked in an "aesthetic pointillism" (A. Chapelle), in an unreal moment, outside time and social responsibility. To speak of the "spiritual fruitfulness" of homosexuality is unduly to ascribe the positive aspect, which is always involved in true friendship and of which homosexual persons are also capable, to homosexual practices that are also psychologically marked by a frustrating sterility. In fact, psychologists with broad clinical experience state that when an authentic personal friendship forms between male homosexuals, it frequently happens that they are unable to continue having sexual relations (J. Keefe).

Subjective influences

2. Psychological research into homosexuality has led to connecting behaviour in the sexual-genital sphere with deeper impulses linked to the person's psychological and sexual identity. This is of great importance in interpreting the phenomenon and identifying the degree of freedom and hence the subject's moral responsibility. In addition to episodic and occasional homosexuality in which the person's freedom to choose his behaviour is virtually complete, there are other typologies that show a homosexual orientation symptomatic of a more generalized or even compulsive identity problem (J. Keefe). At the root of these inclinations there seem to be gaps in the process of psychosexual identification rather than biological conditioning (E. R. Moberly, G. Van den Aardweg), which lead to the search for an (inadequate) response in the homosexual relationship to a real difficulty resulting from the absence of an identifying relationship with a parental figure of the same sex. Experience and therapeutic programmes demonstrate the possibility in many cases of recovering a basic heterosexual identity or at any rate the capacity for self-control of erotic homosexual inclinations (J. F. Harvey).

Therefore it is important when making a moral evaluation to draw from these psychological studies the distinction between the homosexual condition or inclination and homosexual acts, a distinction which has also been recognized by two documents of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith: Persona humana of 29 December 1975 (n. 8) and Homosexualitatis problema of 1 October 1986 (n. 3). If homosexual acts must be described as intrinsically disordered because they lack an essential and indispensable goal, in so far as the homosexual orientation is not the result of morally negative choices it cannot be defined as a sin for which persons are to be held responsible.

How then should one judge the homosexual condition or homosexual tendency which inclines the person to erotic relations with persons of the same sex? Even while it forcefully denies that this condition can be called a sin, the Letter Homosexualitatis problema describes it as "intrinsically disordered" (n. 3). This definition caused controversy and the Church was accused of unjustly discriminating against homosexuals.

It is actually not a question of making a moral accusation against these individuals, but rather of recognizing that a homosexual orientation, to the extent that it represents a more or less strong inclination to intrinsically evil behaviour from the moral viewpoint, cannot be simplistically described as neutral or good. In fact, from this erroneous reasoning some people then drew the conclusion that for homosexuals whose orientation is truly irreversible, the sexual acts they perform in relationships dictated by love would even be morally acceptable.

It seems to me that a hermeneutical key to understanding the meaning of the assertion about the intrinsic disorder of the homosexual condition can be found in the Council of Trent's definition of concupiscence (Decretum de peccato originali, n. 5: DS 1515): this is not sin in the true and proper sense and is called sin by the Apostle Paul only in-as-much as "ex peccato est et ad peccatum inclinat". As happens in the case of so many other negative conditions (e.g. selfishness, the desire for power, greed, kleptomania, sadism, pyromania, etc.), human freedom can be preceded by disordered inclinations which assume a different form and force in different people. These are not sins in themselves. But they stem from sin: at least, from original sin, if not necessarily from personal sins. Above all, these inclinations tend to lead to sin.

But they stem from sin: at least, from original sin, if not necessarily from personal sins. Above all, these inclinations tend to lead to sin.

In the light of faith, this challenge of a negative influence on freedom should be seen as a sharing in suffering and a test, in solidarity with humanity fallen in Adam. But it can become, in communion Christ's victorious Cross and one's own ascetical struggle, an opportunity for holiness, merit and active co-operation in Redemption.

Awareness of the complexity of the conditioning involved in the homosexual tendency requires great caution in evaluating personal responsibility for homosexual acts. Nevertheless, no matter how great the difficulties may be, it would be a serious lack of respect and consideration for their dignity to deny homosexual persons their basic freedom (Homosexualitatis problema, n. 11). Veritatis splendor has recalled that "together with the commandments, the Lord gives us the possibility of keeping them" and that "keeping God's law in particular situations can be difficult, extremely difficult, but it is never impossible" (n. 102). It will be the task of the Church's attentive pastoral care to offer those of her children who experience such a situation the specific care they need and deserve in the conviction that "only what is true can ultimately be pastoral" (Homosexualitatis problema, nn. 1,15).

The "gay" culture

3. A very different aspect of the question is presented by the so-called "gay" culture. Today this term is highly politicized and does not simply mean a homosexually oriented person but one who publicly adopts a homosexual "lifestyle" and is committed to having it accepted by society as fully legitimate. Justifiable opposition to offences and discrimination, which violate a person's basic rights, cannot be confused with this demand. In fact a systematic plan for the public justification and glorification of homosexuality is taking shape, starting with the attempt to make it fully accepted in the mind of society. It aims, through increasing pressure, at a change in legislation so that homosexual unions may enjoy the same rights as marriage, including that of adoption.

It respect for every person is promoted in society even when he may privately behave according to questionable moral criteria, and if civil law is not required to impose moral values in the sphere of private life, nevertheless the State cannot fail to recognize the promotion and defence of families founded on monogamous heterosexual marriage as an essential part of the common good. A State which relinquished its primary raison d'etre would ultimately deprive itself of that healthy social fabric, generously open to life and to the proper education of the new generations, which makes possible not only a harmonious society but the very continuation of human civilization.

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God loves you, but?

Guys,

how many times have we heard that God loves us all. How come there is always a "but" attached?

Let's go into the different versions of this:

1) Sometimes hetereosexuals would come up with something like "God loves you just as you are, but He loves you way too much to leave you this way". Now I have used this one many times myself, but I rather refrain from doing so - even though it is basically right. There are different reasons to that: First, it does sound kind of strange to me in the mouth of someone who does not experience same-sex attractions. The sort of "He loves you, but" thing. Plus sometimes I have the feeling that people tend to forget that this applies to them, too. Sure - I do not know their inner motivation (which probably is the very best) and far be it for me to judge them, but please let's rephrase that a little.

2) Then you hear phrases like "God is love - and He loves all of us, no matter what" from people actively involved in the gay life. Again: basically it is true, but the motivation for such a statement probably is to justify whatever a person sees as being alright (like "being gay") - and still be a Christian. Sort of make your own religion or model the one that you have according to your personal needs. Now I do not want to mock at them, as the need and motivation behind that usually is a genuine love for the Lord - somehow gone over the top.

3) Finally you hear things like the one mentioned above ("God loves you just as you are, but He loves you way too much to leave you this way) from ex-gays, that is from people who love the Lord too much to live out their same-sex attractions and seek freedom from homosexuality. Again: why does there always have to be a "but" attached? Now you might tell me that the Bibel warns us to act out with the same sex and leave the righteous path (which is undoubtedly right) and also the Lord sees into our hearts, so acting out is not the only problem. All of that is true - but no matter what His love comes first - no matter what. His love (just as faith in general) is a gift of grace from God, that we get without anything to do on our part. Sort of a credit. In that sense the Lord loves us - no but attached. We have a father-son relationship (not for nothing we see sin as refusal of sonship and love!) with the father doing the first step. You see lots of examples for that in the Bible (like Jesus freeing the prostitute they wonted to stone - only afterwards He tells her to sin no more. Or the pharisee and the sinner both praying and the Lord taking the sinner's side - without any promise of repenting on his part). Or salvation itself, which is always a gift of grace - for each and every Christian denomination. THEN comes the obedience part, the repentance, the living out the faith  in works and so on. And yes - it is crucial for us to remember that: we have to sin no more.

The problem for people who seek freedom of homosexuality is not so much the "but" part. Most of them are Christians and pretty well aware of the fact that homosexual acts and phantasies are sinful. It is more the "love" part that is hard for them to accept, so insting on the "but" doesn't really help much (even though it is important to make sure not to fall again).

And yes, we are aware of the fact that God looks into our hearts, too (so lustful fantsies would be unacceptable - like for any other man!), but the problem with that is that many among us think the fact that they have "those feelings" is by itself both a sin and a sign of not having experienced healing (or in other words: having failed/sinned again). We might start putting ourselves down for that and even hating ourselves - instead of remembering the "love" part and trustfully accepting the cross each and every man on earth has to carry.

How come people with same-sex attractions feel most comfortable in the gay scene? That should be a warning for the church: obviously, it has missed its mission if "people like us"  feel uncomfortable there. If we only find love and acceptance in the scene (even though most of us later on find out, that this is not really the love and acceptance we thought it was - but still we might see it as better or at least not as bad - as what we usually get).

That's why it is so important for me to stress the good in recovery (even though it is a long and hard road), the acceptance of ourselves, the belief in the love of God and the love for oneself as a basis to love God, the neighbor and also to start repenting, turning toward God and changing things (and letting Him change us). We do that out of love - and not (only) because we are scared of the consequences it might have.

Does that make sense to you?

Robert

Feed My Sheep

 
I recently watched a movie about a church which had grown quite large, not only in attendance, but also financially. It had become not just a church, but a business with shareholders etc. With this huge growth it had visions of spreading globally so that the sermons and other outreach programs could be viewed world wide. It had visions of doing the Lord’s work by dumping big money into big projects to help lots of people at one time.
All this sounds wonderful, but it was a lost church. Much like some of the churches written in Revelations by the apostle John. Jesus said that they were rich in many ways, but they were also very poor, because they had lost their first love. The church in the movie looked great from the outside attempting to do the work of the Lord. It was a big church, with a big congregation, a big steeple on top, televised all across the nation and to other countries. Oh sure it was rich, but Jesus would say it was poor because it has lost it’s first love. It’s eyes were no longer on the Lord, but on itself. " Oh look how wonderful we are." They would say. " We do big breakfasts for the poor, we help many people around the world, feeding the poor, we are watched on t.v. around the world." This church had lost it’s first love. It was no longer the Lord, or His people, it served to increase the bankroll of it’s shareholders.
Jesus, while he walked on the earth after His resurrection, said to Peter three times; " Simon Peter, do you love me, feed my sheep.." John 21:15-17
Whom are the sheep which Jesus was speaking of.? Jesus was speaking about all the people all around Him. Feed these souls, Jesus was saying to Peter. Feed the young, feed the poor, the old, the destitute, the lost, the blind, the lepers etc. Feed them all Peter. Was He speaking of just their physical needs? No, He wanted Peter to feed their most important needs. He was asking Peter to meet their spiritual needs. He wanted Peter to show the people that all are lost, that all are in need of a Savior. That all are in need of repentance. He wanted the people to learn that they could be saved from their sins by believing on the work that Jesus did by dying on the cross in their place for their sins, for our sins.
And yes, He was also asking Peter to help meet their physical needs as well, but first and most importantly their spiritual needs needed to be fed first.
Jesus showed by example during his 3 years of ministry how we all are to look after others, to help meet both their physical and spiritual needs.. In most cases when confronting others Jesus first turned the conversations to the peoples spiritual needs before He would meet their physical needs. He wanted to show then that they were in need of a savior, before He would meet their physical needs.
Compassion and love is the root to feeding the sheep. Sure you can fill people heads full of sermons and flowering speeches I big buildings. But wait. Stop ! Open up the church doors, and it’s windows. What do you see, what do you hear?
Walk out the doors and tell me what you see. Look across the street at those run down houses. What about that fellow over there curled in that cardboard box with clothes on that have not seen soap and water in so many years? What about that bag lady on the corner dragging one foot behind the other as she along all here material possessions in a small cart? There, look over there ! See that dude in the alley with a needle stuck in his arm? And look, over there, there’s Donnie sitting behind his favourite park bench with a brown bag clutched tightly as he takes a sip from the contents of a bottle within the bag.
Peter, do you love me, feed my sheep. Yes Lord, you know that I love you. Then feed my sheep Peter.
 
This is what is lacking in many churches today. They have forgotten the Lord’s command to : "Feed my sheep." Instead they build these great edifices, with sparkling windows, and tall impressive soiers with a cross on top. The churches doors are closed, and the donnies and the bag ladies are shunned and left outside. Feede my Sheep !
 
Jesus was often found rebuking the Pharisees and the Saducees. For they to were much like the churches of today. They boasted how good and how great they were. They had no need of help from anyone, or anything. To lead and shepherd the lost in the Synagogues. They thought themselves to be too good, to wealthy to be in need of a low life carpenter or to help the low lifes of their day.
 
Yes those on the inside are also in need of being fed, but the rich corporate churches of the day are neglecting the sheep outside and are instead filling the pews to make themselves look good, to fill the pocket books of it;s shareholders, much like then Pharisees whom wore rich clothing Lording it over the poor..
And what of you, yes you the individual whom though, yes you are in need of being fed, are you also going outside of your comfort zone and feeding the sheep? Did Jes not command us all to go out into all the world and feed my sheep? Matt. 28:19, 20; Mark 16:15
 
  It is not neccessary to board ships and planes and go preaching to the furthest ends of the earth to "Feed My Sheep" There are many out there already who are doing nthat. And great, it is need. But there are also very, very many right outside your back door, down the road, in the park, in the alleys etc. who are in need of being fewd. Feed My Sheep. Where are the sheep? They are evrywhere.
 
For Jesus said to His disciples; " The harvest is plentiful,but the workers are few." Matt. 9:37
 
Friends, indeed the harvest is great. The signs of the times are showing that the time of Jesus's return to reap the harvest is near. Yet the field is still ripe. Few there are who will open the doors and Feed the Sheep.
 
You dod not need to travel far. You do not need amgreat education, a doctorate in theology, be eloquent of speech. You only need the basic knowledge of mthe gospel, and the faith of amchild to go forth and feed His sheep.
 
Will you sit in comfort in your church pwews, or will you go out and feed the sheep? The need is great. There are many ways of ministering God's Word by way of mouth, pen, Internet, foot etc. Let your imagination and the leading of the Holy Spirit and the faith of a child encourage you to go forth and FEED HIS SHEEP ! 
 
WHAT SAY YOU !
 


andré (Canada)

The Self Righteous Prodigal



To understand the Parables of Jesus, it is best to understand the culture of the day. In the story of the Prodigal Son, as it is best known, we need to read and study the entire chapter of Luke 15 to get the full context of the parable. This Parable is often taught leaving out the beginning of the chapter and also leaving out the very last part. To leave out either part is to teach an incomplete lesson and study.
     
So let’s read the entire chapter again for the first time, with an open mind, and see what the Lord may have to say to you today.
     
As we read the opening verses of this chapter, we see that many publicans and sinners have come to hear Jesus speak. Also present in this crowd were Pharisees and Saducees. Luke 15:1-2
     
The Pharisees were self righteous teachers of the religeous community, whom mostly gained their positions by bribery and big money. They were wealthy and they loved to Lord it over the common people, looking down their noses at them with disdain. The common people to them were the dregs of society.
     
The tax collectors, and the sinners to Jesus were represented as lost sheep who were in need of a Savior. To the average Israeli, the tax collectors were the most hated of all, for they worked for the Romans who were the oppressors. The tax collectors were corrupt, taking from the people more taxes than they should have. They were for that matter stealing from their own.
To the Pharisees the common people, including the tax collectors were considered religiously unclean.
     
Jesus in the eyes of all was considered to be a "Good Man."  Yet in the mind of the Pharisees, Jesus was also unclean because He hung out with the tax collectors, and the sinners, and the common people, so therefore He was guilty by association.
     
We too are often just as guilty as the Pharisees. We too often stay far away from the dregs of society. Anyone seen to be near them is considered to be unclean, unrighteous. We would rather if we could associate with the elite of society, with those who hold power and money. If we are seen with these types of folks, we think that we are a "Somebody."
     
In the culture of the day, to share a meal with somebody was to accept and approve of them. So when the Pharisees saw Jesus hanging out with these unclean, unrighteous persons, in their mind, He also was like them, and therefore could not be a "Good Man." Their prejudice is no different than many of us today. Look at yourself closely. Are you also a prejudicial Pharisee?
     
Jesus, as we know was not shy to confront these self righteous Pharisees. One of His favourite ways to confront them was by way of parables. And so Jesus tells these folks several parables, aimed straight as an arrow to their hearts to make them see what kind of men they really were and to make them see that they did not know God and His ways at all. Each of these parables is a reflection mirroring these Pharisees showing them not only their self righteousness, but also a window looking at and reflecting God the Father.
     
These Pharisees thought that they knew God very well, but Jesus was going to show them that they did not know Him at all. They did not understand the awesome love of that the Father has for the lost and how His heart breaks when one goes astray.
     
Through these three parables in chapter 15, we learn that it is God Himself who initiates His love towards us in that. While we are still yet sinners, Christ Jesus died for us. Rom. 8 It is He whom searches out for us, while we are yet still lost sinners, desiring us to draw close to Him.
     
The point of these three parables is not so much about a lost shepherd, nor a lost coin, nor a lost son, but about a searching, loving Father who searches to seek and to save they which are lost. Luke 19:10; Matt. 18:11
     
Now lets read Luke 15:11-24 about a Wayward Son and a searching Father.
     
We have all at one time or another searched desperately for something which is lost, like a wife’s ring, a lost child, car keys etc. If one loses a child at a carnival, the pain that a father or mother would feel would be comparable to the hurt and pain our Father in heaven must feel when one of us becomes lost, becomes a prodigal running away from Him. Who else but a parent could feel the anguish of a lost child like our Father? We read how Jesus wept over Jerusalem as they continually turned away from Him, Matt. 23:37.That is how much He loves us.
     
The young prodigal son we being very self-centered when he asked his father for his inheritance. To hear such a request as this from a son whom he loved, was like hearing that your son was wishing you to be dead. The father likely tried to talk some sense into his sons head, and he also likely knew exactly what the boy would do with all this money. Eventually the father relented to the sons request and let him go. We today would refer to this as tough love. Sometimes a parent has to to let a son or daughter go their own way so that they can learn the error of their ways on their own, the hard way.
     
And so we read how the boy gathered up his inheritance and belongs and left for a far off country living a harlotous life boozing it up and throwing his money around like a big shot until it all ran out. And we learn that a famine came upon the country and he became hungry. He sought out a way to get food and money, but the best offered to him was working with pigs and eating the same scraps they got. This would have been terribly degrading, especially to a Jew. During a time of famine pigs would have been of more value than people, so  all the people turned their backs on him and gave him nothing.
     
Had the story ended here, the Pharisees would have said that he got just what he deserved. Fortunately, our Father is not like that. He wishes us to repent and coming running back to Him.
     
With his stomach grumbling, ragged and filthy, the son we read comes to his senses and realizes what a fool he had been. He realizes that he not only sinned against his own earthly father, but also again the Father in heaven. Unfortunately we often need to fall into the pig pen, to hit rock bottom before we come to our senses, repent and turn back to God.
     
We can know for sure the boy was sincere in how he felt because he did not desire to return to his father as a son, but as a meager hired servant. Do we not also feel that at times we are unworthy of the Father when we have sinned?
     
Thankfully our God's love for us is so great that He will not leave us in the dumps.
     
In true humiliation, the prodigal son returns home, hungry, likely smelling like the pigs, dirty, degraded with his head bowed rehearsing what he would say to his father.                                       
     
Many an earthly father would perhaps look up to their approaching prodigal son with disgust. But our Father who is represented in this parable as the boy’s father does not do that. Our Father in heaven does not shut us out, does not turn His back on us while we still draw breath. He awaits for us patiently, wooing us, searching for us, looking for us daily awaiting for us to repent, come to our senses and return to Him.
     
So it is, as in the story, the father does not just stand there on the door step when he sees the boy coming. But he runs with outstretched arms eager to hug us and welcome us home, even before the son has expressed his repentance. Our Father needs not wait to hear from our lips to know that we have repented. He already knows our heart. And yes, just as in the story, there is a party. Like wise when one on earth repents and comes to the Father, there is great joy in heaven.
     
In Middle East culture, older men do not run, nor do we ever see the elite run with emotion in our culture today. But this father runs to his son and immediately after embracing the boy he calls for a party. Bring out the best calf, a robe and sandals, "my son which was lost is found he says."
     
The father in this story brought out his best to honour his repentant, prodigal son. Our Father also gave His best when He gave His Son for us when were also lost. The son was once again recognized as a heir to the father's estate as we are to our Father in heaven.
     
The father was not treating his son so well because he deserved it, but because he loved him so much. He went out of his way showing grace and mercy upon the once wayward son.
     
God our Father likewise does not dispose grace and mercy upon us because we deserve it or because of anything we have done. He gives because He loves us so much. John 3:16
     
This is a God who runs and embraces, who accepts the filthy prodigal sons when they run and turn back to Him. This is a God who calls for a party in heaven, who cries out; "Welcome, welcome home!" Luke 15:7
     
This is a God the Pharisees did not know and understand. That is why the story does not end here, but continues on to the end of the chapter. This ending part is the real key to this story.
     
Allow me suggest that the prodigal son represents the tax collectors and the sinners around Jesus. These folks know that they are lost and in need of a Savior. They are willing at least to come and sit at his feet and to listen to His teachings. And the angry elder son represents the hard nosed, know it all, non seeking Pharisees.
     
At first look the elder son looks like the respectable son, who is hard working, always obeying his father. He seemingly was doing the right thing. But may I suggest that his relationship with his father was likely strained. His righteousness was masked by the law, doing right outwardly, but perhaps inwardly rebelling against the father. The Pharisees also appear to have a form of godliness, but Jesus chastised them another time calling them blind guides, white sepulchers. Read Matt. 23:1-36; Luke 11:39-44. Jesus unmasked their self righteousness, those who thought they knew the Father and were doing His work. But, they were far, far from the Lord.
     
The elder son, upon hearing the celebration was angered and his thoughts towards his brother, rather than being joyful at his return, was anger and jealous. He was so angry that he refused to go to the party even after his father had pleaded with him to come and join the party and enjoy.
     
His rebelliousness would have been an insult to his father. This is like a teen picking a fight with a parent. It was terribly disrespectful. It was his duty to go and join in the celebration with his father. He chose to not even have fellowship with his father because the father had thrown a party for the one whom had lived with pigs, partied it up, losing all his money.
     
The Pharisees likewise chose to not have fellowship with Jesus, because Jesus fellowshipped with the dregs of society. They like the elder son chose to stay outside of the Fathers house. When one refuses to accept what the Father offers, what He accepts, it reveals ones true heart relationship to God.
     
Still the father pleads to the elder son, because he likewise loves his elder son as much as he loves the younger son. But for all his pleading, it was to no avail.
     
The elder brother contempt for his father showed clearly the true nature of his heart, just as the Pharisees had contempt for Jesus. Their hearts were far from God. Though the elder son worked hard for his father, he did not share his father’s heart. When he says: "This son of yours", he clearly shows he neither loved his brother, nor his father.
     
His final statements show how self serving he really was, how self-righteous he truly was. He was not joyful of being the recipient of his fathers love. In reality, he like the Pharisees was far further from the Father than was the prodigal son.
     
Never-the-less, this father portrays the love of our Father God, despite the elders disrespectful outburst. He continues to plead to the elder son to come and join in and share the joy that the father has for him , for us. He is a gracious, merciful Father who perseveres, who holds out hope, pleading for us to come close to Him, despite our failures, despite our sins.
     
When our Father sees a repentant sinner returning, He cannot of Himself cancel the party, cancel His love for us who are all prodigals.
     
Jesus was showing these self righteous Pharisees His deity and God's grace. That after all is the true theme of this story.
     
    
     
This is yet one other part of this story which is still missing. from this story, we never really learn if the elder son ever repented. Did he enter or did he not? The end of the story leaves us ah ging. Likely as not he did not enter the joy of the Lord.
     
This is the sin of the Pharisees. As long as they do not enter into and accept the grace of the Father, they are left on the outside. Our Father offers us grace and mercy and eternal life. If we do not enter in, and accept His offer of the forgiveness of our sins and salvation, we will not enter in to His joy and rest.
     
If we cannot see the need for grace for others, how will we ever see the need for grace and mercy for ourselves. To do so is to forfiet fellowship with the Father. The Pharisees likewise remain outside as long as they have contempt for the least of these.
     
Whether you are in a far country and have fallen to the the bottom, to the very dregs of the barrel, or if you are standing on the outside, the Father is still calling, "Come on In, Come home."
     
How we relate to others, reveals how we relate to God. He aches and cries for you every day to come. Will you not come on in and enjoy His blessings, enjoy the rest He has prepared for you?
     
I am reminded of the hymn "Just As I am" Please come just as you are and enter the party and homecoming He has preparing for you. Will you?
     
     
andré

Love the Unlovable

One of the greatest lessons we all need to to learn is to love the unlovable. We are all at times, frankly, jerks. And we all at times behave badly and treat others horribly. Thanks be to God, that He does not treat us the same way that we treat others who abuse us in one way or another. It always impresses and amazes me how Jesus behaved when He was led to the cross  and hung there. As is said, He could have called down a thousand angels to defend Him, but He said not a word in anger or in defense of Himself though He was likely the most mistreated, most abused person ever for having done not a single thing wrong ever in His entire existence on earth. 2 Cor. 5:21; 1 John 3:5
 
Hold fast to your faith, studying and meditating daily in His Word. 2 Tim. 1:13; Titus 1:9; Heb. 10:23
 
Have a great and Godly week, for what good is a good week, if it is also not a Godly week.
 
Andre

Is the Church Hypocrite?

Some people with same-sex attractions who self-identify as being “gay” would call “organized religion” (the Church, in our case the Christian Church) hypocrite.

What do we make of that?

Simply saying this is nonsense or the usual attack of gay activists would not be correct. Yes, some “gays” might call anyone and everyone who does not share their view of how to deal with same-sex attractions as being “hypocrite” or even “homophobic”. This is a problem those people have to deal with. We do not know why some people with same-sex attractions would make general accusations like that and so we can only pray for them, ask God to touch their hearts and treat them with Christian love instead of attacking them at the same level.

But is there any truth in that statement?

I am afraid there is. One of the reasons men and women with same-sex attractions embrace the “gay” life is that they have the impression that in the ‘”gay” scene they find the love and acceptance they have neither found with their families, friends – or with the Church for that matter.

Maybe they will later on realize that this “love” and “acceptance” they seem to be getting in the “gay” scene is not really what they were hoping for, but it is some sort of “home-coming” feeling that strikes a nerve and at least somehow fulfills - or maybe numbs - a legitimate need that had been unfulfilled so far in many cases.

Finally, they don’t feel like outsiders anymore that people put up with somehow at best. Thinking back of my own “gay” days I well remember that some folks in my environment had an outside attitude that said something like “live and let live” or “why not if they love one another” or “this is totally ok”, but I did not always buy that. I had always had the feeling that this is rather superficial and once times would get rougher again (economically, politically or whatever), we'd soon get to see what they really think. Even Church members usually have no clue as to how to approach people with same-sex attractions, how to truly love them with a love that does not shy away from telling them the truth, but also mirrors the love of Christ.

Think of sarcastic sayings like “God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve”. This almost mocks people with same-sex attrations. Or “let’s love the sinner, but hate the sin”. That has some truth in it like the first saying, but it gives you – voluntarily or involuntarily – the impression that the person who says that is not a sinner. That he (or she) is a better Christian than those poor men and women who live a “gay” life.

Thinking of that, it is no wonder that some people with same-sex attractions at some point began to self-identify as being “gay”. That at least conveyed the image of being happy, in good mood – as opposed to the impression some of the people that surrounded them might have given.

When has the Church – when have WE – ever shown people with same-sex attractions that we truly love them (with no “but” attached)? I guess if you ask that those people who tell us to love the sinner and hate the sin, some might have a hard time giving you a real-life example.

So to cut a long story short: The Church – that is all believing Christians – has good reasons to ask people with same-sex attractions for forgiveness. That does in no way mean the Church should accept a “gay” life or condone everything “gays” do or say, but it does mean that we have to ask for forgiveness for the many hurts we caused people with same-sex attractions –through the things we did and the things we failed to do.

Munich, November 27th 2011

Robert Gollwitzer

 

Overcoming my Shame of SSA

Saturday, June 9, 2012

Overcoming my Shame of SSA


You know what my problem is? I feel disempowered.


I would like to shout out that, "I'm a Catholic, single male, I'm 40, and I struggle with same sex attraction." But how can I do that when there are very few leaders in the Catholic Church who are even willing to set an example? How many of our Catholic priests are courageous enough to stand up among the congregation and identify with this struggle?


No, they remain silent. They simply listen to us confessing our sins of impure thoughts and of acting out our intrinsically disordered sexual desires. But where are the church leaders who are willing to go beyond the call of duty, to absolve us of our sins in the secrecy of the confessional, who are willing to stand boldly alongside us before the church community declaring, “Hey, I too am a leper, crying out to the Lord to have pity on me”?* Because that is how I feel, like a "leper"; to have to struggle with SSA in secrecy within my Catholic community, alone in my fear that if I were to disclose my struggle with SSA, I would be “cast out into a leper colony”. And I feel as though the only circles where I can experience the full measure of freedom to express my innermost struggles, is among other men and women who also struggle with SSA. So in this sense, isn't it true, that Courage Apostolate, the support group for Catholic men and women struggling with SSA, is the Church's modern day “leper colony”? When will persons struggling with SSA like myself experience acceptance, support and encouragement, and a genuine sense of belonging in our respective church communities, without fear of being judged?



*12 As he was going into a village, ten men who had leprosy[a] met him. They stood at a distance 13 and called out in a loud voice, “Jesus, Master, have pity on us!”

Luke 17:12-13 New International Version (NIV)



It seems the only people who are bold enough to speak aloud publicly are people who have SSA, but are fighting against the church; and advocating “gay” rights, which to me are “rights that allow persons with SSA to act out in defiance to the Catholic church's teachings on morality and chastity”. Yet those of us with SSA, but choose to live according to the guidelines on morality and chastity pertaining to homosexuality in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, seem to be “bullied” into silence by the “stigma” that being a Catholic person with SSA still carries with it in our contemporary church communities. A “stigma” that makes me feel ashamed to speak up in my church community, rather than boast with great joy that Christ redeems me each day in my struggle with sexual brokenness, that it is by His grace alone that He sustains me in my daily battle for purity.


I often feel overwhelmed by the seeming hopelessness of living as a Catholic “outcast” with SSA. However,  if I were to regard my SSA as the “thorn in my flesh” similar to that which St. Paul also spoke of, then perhaps I should actually rejoice and be glad even that I have been given this “thorn in my flesh” as a constant reminder of my dependence on God, that it is His grace alone which sustains me. Perhaps as well, I should also learn from St. Paul, who with wisdom that can come only from the Holy Spirit, spoke of the added benefit of this “thorn in his flesh” that “kept a proud man humble before God”.* Perhaps the great paradox is that that this “thorn in the flesh” which seems more a curse than a blessing, helps to develop in the person struggling with SSA, the virtue of humility.



*7 Because the things God showed me were so wonderful, I might have become too proud of myself. But something happened and stopped that. It was like a thorn in me. It came from Satan [the devil] to trouble me. It came to stop me from being too proud.

2 Corinthians 12:7-10 Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE)



Perhaps this “stigma” of shame that comes with my SSA has little or nothing to do with the lack of solidarity and support coming from church leaders, or the potential threat of rejection by the greater church community in the event of self disclosure, but rather it is a “shadow” that comes with my own self-absorbed pride in constructing an impenetrable fortress about myself, projecting an image that I am perfect and unblemished, yet knowing desperately deep inside that it is all a lie.


“Lord, help me to lay down my pride, tear down the fortress I have built around myself, my fake image, my false pretences, my excuses and finger pointing, pushing the blame on others; and build instead a new life grounded on the truth that You have redeemed me through your love and sacrifice, that by Your grace I can grow daily in inner chastity as well as humility, patience, temperance, fortitude and charity; and that you have set me free to love others as the Father has loved me. Lord let this truth of Your redeeming love empower me to speak freely and boldly of Your love for me, the same love you offer to all mankind; and help me to love all people, as You, Lord Jesus, love me. Amen.”


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8 Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. 9 And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast [a]about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. 10 Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with [b]insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.

                              

2 Corinthians 12:8-10 New American Standard Bible (NASB)



Terminology: (A) Person with Same Sex Attraction (SSA) vs. "gay" or "homosexual" - In discussing homosexuality we must therefore strive for precision in terms. This may be at the cost of linguistic convenience. Popular culture and ease of speech make the less accurate words more attractive. Nevertheless, it is better to speak of same-sex attractions, homosexual inclinations or tendencies. (The Catholic Church's pastoral response)

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=9495


Description and History: Courage Apostolate/International - Courage Apostolate is a spiritual support system that is designed to assist men and women struggling with SSA to live chaste lives through prayer, fellowship, truth and love in obedience with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. The group was founded in 1980 by the late Terence Cardinal Cooke, Archbishop of New York and the late Fr. John Harvey, OSFS. The group meetings consist of laymen and laywomen usually under anonymous discretion, together with a priest, using a 12-step program adapted from Alcoholics Anonymous. With the endorsement of the Holy See in 1994, Courage now has more than ninety-five (95) chapters worldwide, including Courage Philippines chapter, established in 1995 with the permission of His Eminence, the late Jaime Cardinal Sin, Archbishop of Manila.

http://www.couragerc.net

http://www.couragephilippines.blogspot.com/



The Catholic Medical Association's statement on Same-Sex Attraction: SSA is preventable and a symptom of other issues. The goal of therapy should be "freedom to live chastely according to one's state in life."

http://www.cathmed.org/ 



The Catechism of the Catholic Church on Pastoral Care of Persons with SSA: The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination , which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. (CCC 2358)

Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teaches them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection. (CCC 2359)

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm



http://www.revelife.com/754851828/i-was-given-a-thorn-in-my-flesh-paul-and-homosexuality/ 


Posted by Viktor Stavros at 6:54 AM 

http://victoryinthecrossofchrist.blogspot.de/2012/06/you-know-what-my-problem-is-i-feel_09.html?spref=bl

(used with permission)

Homily - Fr. Casey: Christian Bravery


The six ways homosexual activists manipulate public opinion:

1) Exploit the “victim” status;
2) Use the sympathetic media;
3) Confuse and neutralize the churches;
4) Slander and stereotype Christians;
5) Bait and switch (hide their true nature); and
6) Intimidation.

(https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/the-six-ways-homosexual-activists-manipulate-public-opinion?utm_content=bufferc9d45&utm_medium=social&utm_source=defendmarriage%2Bfacebook&utm_campaign=buffer)


"Tolerance is the virtue of a man with no convictions."

GK Chesterton


“America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance — it is not. It is suffering from tolerance. Tolerance of right and wrong, truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos. Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded.”

― Fulton J. Sheen

The Gospel Coalition: In a series of short videos, Sam Allberry explains how you can minister to your friends and church members who are same-sex attracted.

Posted by Sex/uality Matters on Samstag, 27. Juni 2015
“The refusal to take sides on great moral issues is itself a decision. It is a silent acquiescence to evil. The Tragedy of our time is that those who still believe in honesty lack fire and conviction, while those who believe in dishonesty are full of passionate conviction.” 
- Fulton J. Sheen

You don't need to bring us Jesus!

Yes, we've been gone for so long. We've been outsiders - and still are. "The marginalized" you call us - and you use us to knock off your loving the unlovable off the list. You want to bring Jesus to us hookers, pimps, inmates, gays, drug addicts, homeless and what not. We don't need you to bring us Jesus so you feel better and can tap yourselves on your shoulders. Jesus is already here. Yes, we left our old lives behind, but we are still "we" - and that's alright with God. We went to those nice and fancy church buildings where they all asemble - all those nicely dressed people, some of which we knew too well from their double lives. They "welcome" us, but all the time they let us feel they are something better - and we are not.
Oh, they certainly know how to hide that behind spiritually or wanna-be-psychologically sounding phrases - "You might want to pray about...", "Don't take it personal, but...", "A Christian does not say/wear/do this/does not listen to this music...", "This looks like you're still gay/a hooker/a drug addict/a criminal..." - you get the point.

Then you wonder why so many call Christians hypocrite. Because many of you are. We sure don't need churches and Christians like these and we can smell your true attitude a mile away. This is why we feel much better among our own. Yes, we are Christians now - and certainly not worse ones than you are - and this is why our folks love us like we are. No "but" attached. And vice versa. We do not have to look like a middle class American John Doe in his suit and tie to worship the Lord. We dress up for Him - but that might look different than what you know. Who are you to tell us we should pray about our behavior - meaning to say you are standing on your hill, pretending to be God and having all the truth in the world. You are a sinner like the rest of us, not better, not worse.

When we follow Jesus, we are dead serious about it. We see you spreading much "wisdom" on facebook and telling everybody what should be done - but when we ask you to join us going out on the street to all those wild places where you find those people Jesus loves so much, you give us a trillion excuses why you cannot come along. Teary-eyed snowflakes, that's what you are. Chicken. Your house is not built on a rock and your seed fell among thorns.

So with all of our heart we tell you: Keep on doing whatever you think you should be doing, but leave us and our likes alone. We don't need you. We need Jesus - and we assemble for and with Him and we go to meet Him. Actually, it is pretty easy. He assembled twelve simple men called apostles and told them on the Sermon of the Mount the basics of what a believer in God is all about. This is what we go by.

We have two words for you:

Bless you.

Rob

“The sad thing is that many of us come to Christ because we are sinners, and then spend the rest of our lives trying to pretend that we are not!”

― Henry Cloud, Changes That Heal: How to Understand the Past to Ensure a Healthier Future 

“So what is the difference between someone who willfully indulges in sexual pleasures while ignoring the Bible on moral purity and someone who willfully indulges in the selfish pursuit of more and more material possessions while ignoring the Bible on caring for the poor? The difference is that one involves a social taboo in the church and the other involves the social norm in the church.”

― David Platt, Radical: Taking Back Your Faith from the American Dream 

“How do you spell 'love'?" - Piglet "You don't spell it...you feel it." - Pooh”

“Some would call it tolerance, I said. Yes he replied, the same tolerance that overtook ancient Israel..a tolerance for everything opposed to God, a growing tolerance for immorality and a growing intolerance for the pure-a tolerance that mocked, marginalized and condemned those who ramined faithful to the values now being discarded. Innocence was ridiculed and virtue was vilified. Children were taught of sexual immorality in public schools while the Word of God was banned. It was a tolerance that put the profane on public display and removed nativity scenes from public sight..contraband, as if somehow they had become a threat-a strangely intolerant tolerance. "But still, I countered, how does all that compare to what happened in ancient Israel? America does'nt offer its children on altars of sacrifice? "Does it not? he said. Ten years after removing prayer and Scripture from its public schools, the nation legalized the illing of its unborn.”

― Jonathan Cahn, The Harbinger: The Ancient Mystery that Holds the Secret of America's Future

Some people seem to think that you can help people with same-sex attractions and fight gay activism by posting stuff on the internet and leading smarty-pants discussions there. While this might be one of many tools, you cannot love people just from your desk at home and you cannot fight dangerous political movements from your living room. These are REAL people who want to be loved and a REAL fight that needs to be fought.

„I only object to homosexual behavior, not the person behind it!“ – how many times have said things like that? Sounds good, right? Well, like every other distorted view it has a core truth – else there would be nothing to distort. Of course, as Christians we are against EVERY inappropriate sexual thing outside a monogamous, lifelong marriage between a man and a woman – be it in thought or deed.

However, think about it: What would you say if someone told you that as a heterosexual man – you as a person are alright as long as you don’t have sex with a girl. What nonsense! How on God’s good earth did we ever come up with the thought that you can separate the two? As human beings, we are an inseparable unity of body, psyche and soul. Our actions cannot be separated from the rest of our personality. This is why Jesus kept on telling us that it is not only our wrong actions that get us in trouble, but the thought/heart behind them.

So if you see someone with same-sex attractions, maybe an effeminate man or a masculine looking woman, stop saying things like that. Our actions are just an expression of something bigger in us. Likewise simply to stop doing something is not recovery, it is avoidance and won’t get you far as the needs and hurts behind your lustful thoughts and actions are still there and are building up till the whole thing explodes.

To cut it short: If we want to be of some real help for men and women with same-sex attractions, we need to take a closer look, to listen and to love. What is going on in that person? Maybe he/she is dealing with some past hurt or has unmet emotional or relation issues? How can we substitute that or even be part of the healing process?

You know what, people with same-sex attractions have heard so many shallow-sounding Christian commonplaces they are fed up with them. It’s not for nothing that the old prejudice of the hypocrite and self-righteous Christians keeps on being repeated over and over again.

Why can’t we just go away from all those sophistic theological phrases and just love people with same-sex attractions like Jesus would?

Robert

From some of our members:

For those of you who embraced the gay life: What do you think was the reason for you to do that? What was the big hook?


„Personally talking, as far as I can remember, I was looking for an ideal relationship with a guy at my age. Before living the gay life, the boys at my age never behave to me like being equal.  My self esteem was extremely low and it seemed to me like a dream if one of those boys who rejected me wanted to have a love affair with me.  

Of course that kind of love affair never appeared. Instead of that , other kind of sexual relationships came to my way, especially those who are motivated from sexual pleasure. “

Ya.


“I was isolated at the time. I did  not realize there were other options.  I did not know I could make choices. I blamed God at the time (Who is now Our Father to me). I did not know  where to  go for help. I had no guidance. I came from a single parent back ground. I grow  up in an inner city  hostile, violent ghetto.   I was lost. I was ashamed to talk about what happened to me. I was just a small child. The people who could have helped me didn't.  I needed help but did not know  where to go. Then  the stigma, the shame,  the embarrassment, the ridicule was a  complete attack  on my broken little self. Who could I talk to; not even my  Mom. I was too ashamed, embarrassed and scared I was just a small developing boy. I was already hurt &  broken. My only options  were suicide and drugs so i thought.  Later I went to a gay bar and met new people. I started talking, having fun, drinking all my problems away. Made new friends, discover  a whole new world the gay ghetto even had lovers. Then I go to sleep with drugs  and wake  up the next day and start  over again. I was lost with  no where to go.“

Yo.

I very much dislike it when people give wise advices and comments on how people with same-sex attractions feel and act without having the slightest idea of what's going on in such folks. Keep it for yourself, will ya? You actually say more about yourself then than about those you criticise.
Rob
You are what you are when nobody's watching. If we make fun of "gays" behind closed doors when they can't hear it, how are we any better than the world? We are not helping people with same-sex attractions if we merely criticize their "behavior" as if that was something outside their human existence that they could cut off just like that. We are not helpiing anybody if we separate between "out-and-proud" gays that we attack and those in the closet that we reach out to. Yes, we need to confront certain political agendas, publicly voiced statements and the like, but we become very hypocrite when our goal is not lovingly saving souls, but attacking them like lone crusaders while complaining about the consequences that might bring for our private lives. As Christians we know that what we believe in and what we stand for will not only bring us friends. However, we also know that it is by our fruit that they shall reckognize us. Tertullian, one of the first Christians, said about the way others should be looking at us, "See how they love one another!". Honestly, I miss a good part of that in today's Christianity. And yes, I definitely include myself into that. I have to refoculs as well. Yet bringing up something like "You did it too!" gets us back to the age-old question, "If I jump off a cliff, will you jump after me?" We all are sinners - does that make sin acceptable? I don't think so. The Bible says that a house that is divided cannot stand and there is way too much division in today's Christianity - including the "ex-gay movement". I am in some "gay" facebook groups as well and sometimes I am well reminded why people with same-sex attractions are drawn into that life... We all still have much to learn and I reach out to each and everyone - whether they like me/us or not. If we keep on fighting ourselves, we will not get anywhere. God told us to love and forgive one another, to bear each other's burden. Having said that, I forgive and ask for forgiveness and will do my best to love. Only then will we make the difference in this world.
Rob

We as Christians are called to go and and make disciples. We should never content ourselves just meeting on a weekly basis like a religious club and listening to nicely sounding messages. Going out, however, means going out to those who need the Lord most: The poor, the sick, the lonely, the drug addicts, the hookers, the sexually broken, the gays, the desperate, the criminals, the inmates and many more. That means diving into their (!) waters. Only working on finding new ways to lure people into the Church (building) won't cut the deal. Those people will not even waste a thought on our nicely thought-out programs. If we go to where they are at though, we need to be aware that this is the kingdom of the Prince of the Air. These are highly dangerous waters, even though they offer us the greatest challenge for a rich harves for the Lord. To go there means to prepare - to put on our spiritual armour. Having a daily spiritual structure and surrounding ourselves with good and solid Christians is crucial if we want to face the evil. Then again - there is nothing like that. THIS is what Jesus wants us to do and where he wants us to be at. All the angels in heaven will cheer for each sould saved, for each sheep that finds its way back to the flock! Hallelujah!

“The older I get, the more I meet people, the more convinced I am that we must only work on ourselves, to grow in grace. The only thing we can do about people is to love them.”
― Dorothy Day, All the Way to Heaven: The Selected Letters of Dorothy Day
Inviting a theologian with an impressive title to talk about same-sex attractions? I am not saying that this is a bad idea - as long as this is part of a package that includes more. What I mean by that? I am tired of hearing others talk about us - instead of letting us have a word for ourselves. We had been there, we did that and even bought the t-shirt. We know how it feels like to take the long and hard road out. We have an idea of what really helps - and what not. So if you want real information and real help, get somebody from an ex-gay ministry. Don't settle for less. Smart talks we heard enough - we want the real stuff now.
Robert

Remember:

The only reason why people don't find freedom from same-sex attractions is because they don't believe it can be done!

"Only Jesus Can Make Me Whole"

What is the most important thing church leaders can do to help people in their congregations who struggle with same-sex attraction? Jackie Hill Perry shares what helped her out the most and the powerful lesson she learned: “I'm able to craw to Jesus and know that only he can make me whole.”

Posted by The Gospel Coalition on Freitag, 28. August 2015

HA: New Homepage!

Homosexuals Anonymous has a new homepage:

http://www.homosexuals-anonymous.com/

Joe Dallas

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Is Change Possible?

To make it very clear: Yes, the Jason ministry definitely believes that change is possible. We believe in God and His power to change our hearts and minds.

Matthew 19:26 King James Version (KJV):

"26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

"Whoever says that a person with SSA cannot change does not know my God."

Pastor Paul

Oceania and Africa

Thanks to the outstanding service and commitment of Bsihop Paul Andrews, we were able to expand our ministry in Oceania, Africa and Asia. For more information please click here.

Was ist das eigentlich, "Homosexualitaet"?

Kurz gesagt, die Tatsache, dass sich jemand überwiegend und über einen längeren Zeitraum hinweg in sexueller und/oder emotionaler Hinsicht zum eigenen Geschlecht hingezogen fühlt. Wir bevorzugen aber den Begriff "gleichgeschlechtliche Neigungen". Zum einen ist der Begriff "Homosexualität" (als eigenständige Form der Sexualität) noch gar nicht so alt. In klinischer Hinsicht konzentriert er sich vor allem auf die sexuelle Anziehung, was jedoch zu kurz gegriffen ist, da man hier die emotionale Zuneigung außer Acht lässt. Zum anderen sind wir als Christen der Überzeugung, dass es nur eine Gott-gegebene Form der Sexualität gibt - und das ist die Heterosexualität. Ja, es gibt Menschen, die - aus welchen Gründen auch immer (und seien sie "genetisch") - gleichgeschlechtlich empfinden, wir sehen dies aber nicht als eine eigenständige Identität, sondern als Teil der Heterosexualität an. Dies bedeutet keine Abwertung von Menschen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen oder eine Minder-Bewertung unseres Empfindens - ganz im Gegenteil. Wir sehen uns als Teil von etwas, das größer ist als wir (Gottes heterosexuelle Schöpfung) und sind weder besser noch schlechter als andere Menschen noch sehen wir uns als etwas Besonderes an und blicken auch nicht auf die herab, die ihre gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen ausleben. Auch konzentriert sich unser Leben nicht auf unser sexuelles und/oder emotionales Empfinden, sondern auf den, dem wir nachfolgen und der uns eine teuer erkaufte Freiheit geschenkt hat, damit auch wir frei sein können: Jesus Christus.

Homosexuals Anonymous

Jason is affiliated to Homosexuals Anonymous:

www.homosexuals-anonymous.com

 

Dr. med. R. Febres Landauro

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What is Homosexuality?

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The 14 Steps

1. We admitted that we were powerless over our homosexuality and that our emotional lives were unmanageable.

2. We came to believe the love of God, who forgave us and accepted us in spite of all that we are and have done.

3. We learned to see purpose in our suffering, that our failed lives were under God's control, who is able to bring good out of trouble.

4. We came to believe that God had already broken the power of homosexuality and that He could therefore restore our true personhood.

5. We came to perceive that we had accepted a lie about ourselves, an illusion that had trapped us in a false identity.

6. We learned to claim our true reality that as humankind, we are part of God's heterosexual creation and that God calls us to rediscover that identity in Him through Jesus Christ, as our faith perceives Him.

7. We resolved to entrust our lives to our loving God and to live by faith, praising Him for our new unseen identity, confident that it would become visible to us in God's good time.

8. As forgiven people free from condemnation, we made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves, determined to root out fear, hidden hostility, and contempt for the world.

9. We admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs and humbly asked God to remove our defects of character.

10. We willingly made direct amends wherever wise and possible to all people we had harmed.

11. We determined to live no longer in fear of the world, believing that God's victorious control turns all that is against us into our favor, bringing advantage out of sorrow and order from disaster.

12. We determined to mature in our relationships with men and women, learning the meaning of a partnership of equals, seeking neither dominance over people nor servile dependency on them.

13. We sought through confident praying, and the wisdom of Scripture for an ongoing growth in our relationship with God and a humble acceptance of His guidance for our lives.

14. Having had a spiritual awakening, we tried to carry this message to homosexual people with a love that demands nothing and to practice these steps in all our lives' activities, as far as lies within us.

While the Homosexuals Anonymous Fellowship was inspired by the Twelve Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous, they are not really an adaptation. Rather, they were created specifically for this Fellowship, and should not be construed otherwise. AA, which is a program concerned only with recovery from alcoholism, and is not in any way affiliated with this Fellowship.

Homosexuals Anonymous

“Love and ever more love is the only solution to every problem that comes up.
If we love each other enough, we will bear with each other's faults and burdens.
If we love enough, we are going to light a fire in the hearts of others.
And it is love that will burn out the sins and hatreds that sadden us. It is love that will make us want to do great things for each other. No sacrifice and no suffering will then seem too much.”
― Dorothy Day

Arthur Goldberg

New Homepage: Voices of Change!

Click here for more info.

If

If you were a Facebook member, and if you received a message to accept Jesus as your friend, would you?

If you received Him as a friend and you had the opportunity to say Like Him, would you share Him with your friends?

If He shared some awesome messages on Facebook with you, that could save lives, would you tell your other Facebook friends?

If Jesus asked you to tell your Facebook friends about Him, would you be to ashamed to do so?

If Jesus came to your door today, would you let Him in?

If Jesus walked into your door, would you let Him be your friend?

If Jesus shared a life altering message with you, that could save lives, would you tell your friends?

If you had the opportunity to tell others about Him, would you be too ashamed to do so?

If Jesus allows you a glimpse of Heaven, would He be ashamed of you?

If Jesus opened the door for you to see the Father, would He be your friend?

If Jesus asked the Father to be your friend, would He be ashamed of you?

André

www.thewordswithin.org

 

Homosexuals Anonymous

Homosexuals Anonymous Fellowship Services

www.homosexuals-anonymous.com

USA

Homosexuals Anonymous is an international organization dedicated to serving the recovery needs of men and women who struggle with unwanted same sex attraction.

This fellowship of men and women, who through their common spiritual, intellectual and emotional experiences have chosen to help each other live in freedom from homosexuality.

Welcome to our website

If you are a person who struggles with unwanted same sex attraction, you are not alone Homosexuals Anonymous and many other related ministries, counselors and therapists provide valuable resources that can be of great use to you.

Remember always that while no one chooses to have same sex attraction, many do choose to diminish and eliminate those feelings of attraction. All people have the right to self determination, the right to choose for themselves the aspects that comprise their identity. Through HA, you will meet many people who see their identity as being rooted in their faith and not in their unwanted desires and behaviors.

If you are a parent, relative or friend of someone who struggles with unwanted same sex attraction, you can find helpful resources they will appreciate.

If you are a parent, friend or relative of someone who embraces and lives a gay lifestyle, you can find support, encouragement and hope in the material you will find available to you in website. If you are interested in online support groups or forming a local parents support group, please contact us and let us know how we can serve you.

If you are a minister, counselor or therapist looking for a support group and other resources to serve the needs of a counselee wanting freedom from homosexuality, then please read through our website. In your exploration you will learn who we are and how we can help you.

New Book by Dr. Douglas McIntyre!

Broken Chains: A journey of recovery from ssa, anger, addiction and child abuse

Dr. Douglas E. McIntyre (Author)

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http://www.northridgerochester.com/messages/the-church-and-homosexuality/rethinking-our-responses/If you've ever read any of Matt Moore's articles, you'll enjoy his testimony at the beginning of this video.

Posted by Pure Passion on Sonntag, 5. Juli 2015

Radical | A book by David Platt

Radical | A book by David Platt

Radical | A book by David Platt

Seek Me!

Jeremiah 29:13

King James Version (KJV)

"And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart."

 

What Martin Luther King really thought about homosexuality

Posted by Homosexuals Anonymous on Dienstag, 19. Januar 2016

My King

Funny thing, if I remember correctly there once used to be a rabbi who did not have any business plan for church mega-growth. No publicity department. No homepage. No emails. No money. Even those He chose as followers were - theologically speaking - illiterates. A handful of dudes, and one even was a bum.

What was He thinking?

When He preached, He used words that drove people away from Him. He couldn't care less. He even asked the remaining rest if they wanted to leave, too. No political correctness here.

Again: What was He thinking?

He could have used other means. He could have been the kind of leader that people back then (and today?) were waiting for. The mighty warlord. The knight in shining armour. The one that kicks some .... and throws those Romans out.

Yes, He could have. He had all the power to do that - and more than that. And what did He do? He dealt with the lowest of the lowest and humbled Himself to their level. He loved people in a way unknown before. With a love that asked for nothing and gave everything. With a love that puts us to shame even today.

He did not fulfill people's expectations. He did not give them what they wanted. He gave them what they truly needed. And to do so, He gave His utmost: He sacrificed Himself and gave His life so we can live. He came down on earth to become man so men could become sons of God. Dying on the cross like a criminal, He even prayed for those who helped nailing Him up there.

And what's worst: He even asked everything of His disciples. They were told to give - no: to sacrifice! - everything they have. To sell all of their possessions, give their money to the poor and follow Him without even looking back. They were even told to give their own lives!

I guess He would still be sort of out of place in some of the churches today.

If I remember correctly, His name was Jesus.

Anybody by chance remember Him?

He is the ruler of my life. He is the one I love and follow.

He is my king.

My saviour.

Rob

theWord Bible Software

I Have Decided to Follow Jesus

"I have decided to follow Jesus. Though no one joins me, still I will follow."

Assam, north-east India, who held on to Jesus when being told to recounce his faith by the village chief. His wife was killed and Assam as well - while he was singing these words: "The cross before me, the world behind me." His strong faith kept on shining: The village chief and others in the village converted afterwards. (see: Wikipedia)

Freedom from SSA

Guys,

there are many professionals who are able to scientifically explain to you how to find freedom from same-sex attractions.

I am a simple man so I will try to tell you in simple terms.

Imagine a father who wants to teach his son how to ride a bike. He will not give him a lesson on the functioning of each single part, where it came from and what it is made of. Nor will he lecture on how the human body works and how the mind coordinates things. He loves his sonny and wants him to be able to ride that bike on his own.

Of course, he could let him continue to ride with additional wheels, but this is not what the father wants. Daddy knows that his son will likely fall a couple of times. There will be tears and some pain as well. But as a loving father he buys his son a bike and takes him out to teach him how to ride.

Now the son does not expect a big lesson or a manual to start with. Yes, he might be somewhat scared as he does not know what to expect and how to handle this bike without additional wheels that keep it stable. But he knows that he can fully trust his father. He loves his daddy more than anything - and daddy loves him. So he takes a courageous first step and lets daddy show him how to do it.

Daddy will fist be there all the time to hold his son while he rides. However, step by step he will let him run a little bit on his own.

Sonny will ride this first bits all shaky and insecure, but then again he trusts his daddy, so he manages to do it - sort of.

Sometimes he will fall and have his knee scratched. Tears will roll down his cheek, but daddy will hold him im his arms and encourage him to take another effort.

Day by day little sonny will drive a little longer all by himself, until he finally manages to ride that bike completely alone. Daddy will be so proud of his son and his son will come running into his arms, thanking his beloved daddy for keeping his promise to be there all the time when things were getting rough on him. Daddy told him that he will ride that bike and all his little son had to do is to trust him just enough that he goes for it.

Sometimes all that keeps us from succeeding is the lack of belief that it can be done.

Rob

Let's be real!

By Tim Wilkins

 

When the Baptist State Convention of NC modified its bylaws to exclude churches that affirm homosexual behavior, the perspectives were plenty and passionate.

 
Someone supporting the modification said Athere are many sins: homosexuality is the one challenging the church.@ In a letter to the Biblical Recorder, a lady responded APerhaps this problem plagues his church, but not the majority of churches in the United States.@  (BR 11/25/06)
 

Her comment is one I hear frequently.  As the director of an eleven-year-old outreach ministry to homosexuals, I can attest her comment is untrue.
 

The growing visibility of homosexuals has unfortunately led many believers and unbelievers alike to some false assumptions.  One-that most persons with such attractions march in gay parades, appear on talk shows and lobby for legislative rights; two-that most such individuals have no desire to be free from same-sex attractions and as a result Awe don=t have anyone like that in our church.@
 

You can no more discern who in your congregation has homosexual attractions than you can discern who is stealing from their employer. Married, single, men, women, teenagers, seniors-many of these endure unwanted same-sex attractions in the same way that all people endure temptation.

 
As you settle into your pew next Sunday, look around you.  You=ve no reason to believe such an individual does not sit near you.  Moreover, 70-80 % of your fellow members know a friend or relative with same-sex attractions, but few acknowledge it for this reason.  Why would another congregant disclose this when most congregational talk on the issue is hurtful and hostile?  One mother, whose son is homosexual, wept as she told me she dare not share her burdenBnot with the denigrating remarks that frequently punctuate her Bible study.

 
A mission field surrounds us!

 

 Tim Wilkins

www.crossministry.org

How Should the Church (Re-)Act When It Comes to Same-Sex Attractions?


When it comes to same-sex attractions, churches tend to (re-)act in completely different and mostly opposing ways:


1) There are churches who completely affirm all kind of same-sex behavior and relationships (usually referred to as “gay marriage”). Their theology goes somewhat like this: God gave those people same-sex attractions and this is why it also is alright with Him to live that way. Besides, Jesus is all about love and when people (no matter what sex they belong to) love one another, then this is fine with Him. Love can’t be wrong. Basically, those folks ground their theology on their personal experiences and emotions and interpret the Bible from that standpoint – instead of studying the Bible and living our lives according to the written and the living Word of God. God knew how deceitful our hearts and emotions can be and this is why He left us His written Word and also the Holy Spirit to guide His Church in order to give us something to hold on and to live by. Love as God sees it is not just a fuzzy feeling, but a life-giving, life-long, heterosexual & monogamous covenant where people give themselves (as opposed to a contract where people exchange property). A covenant that reflects the covenant of Christ with His Church.

2) Then you have churches that just don’t deal with same-sex attractions at all. Their view goes somewhat like this: We don’t have “that problem” and so we don’t need to talk about it. Also we don’t want to shy away people from our church services. The problem with that: First, every church that has a certain size is very likely to have “that problem”. Second, the church is not a hotel for saints, but a hospital for sinners. Obviously, it has greatly missed her job & vocation – else there wouldn’t be a need for ex-gay and purity ministries. Finally: Not talking about “the problem” does not make it go away. It does not help those concerned and also you will be very surprised when gay activists come breaking into your church doors someday, forcing you by law to hold same-sex “wedding ceremonies”.

3) Thirdly there are churches that seem have all the truth, but no grace at all. “God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!”, “We love the sinner, but hate the sin!”, “It’s wrong because the Bible says so!” and statements like that might characterize those churches. The problem here: We cannot start reaching out to people in need by telling them what not to do, even more so when this is done from a standpoint that makes the person who issues those statements look like he or she does not belong to that group of “poor little sinners”, that just need to be told they are wrong and just need to “say no”. That has little to nothing to do with the Christian faith the way Jesus taught it. First, we need to understand about God’s love and grace at first place –and if we do we can – and should! – pass it on to others the way Jesus did. Everything else flows out of this. Remember the prostitute that Jesus saved from being stoned? He did not tell her, “Haven’t you read the Thora? What you are doing is wrong! Beat it!”. No, Jesus saved her from certain death before she could even say beep. Only then did He tell her to go and sin no more. Love comes before everything else – a love without any conditions (“I love you, but…”).

4) Finally, you have the churches that do not only welcome people with open arms and a loving heart, but also go out to look for those in need before they even think about knocking on church doors. They do not only re-act, but act. They love those that others look down upon and they do this because Jesus loved us first.


Robert

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You are what you are when nobody's watching. If we make fun of "gays" behind closed doors when they can't hear it, how are we any better than the world? We are not helping people with same-sex attractions if we merely criticize their "behavior" as if that was something outside their human existence that they could cut off just like that. We are not helpiing anybody if we separate between "out-and-proud" gays that we attack and those in the closet that we reach out to. Yes, we need to confront certain political agendas, publicly voiced statements and the like, but we become very hypocrite when our goal is not lovingly saving souls, but attacking them like lone crusaders while complaining about the consequences that might bring for our private lives. As Christians we know that what we believe in and what we stand for will not only bring us friends. However, we also know that it is by our fruit that they shall reckognize us. Tertullian, one of the first Christians, said about the way others should be looking at us, "See how they love one another!". Honestly, I miss a good part of that in today's Christianity. And yes, I definitely include myself into that. I have to refoculs as well. Yet bringing up something like "You did it too!" gets us back to the age-old question, "If I jump off a cliff, will you jump after me?" We all are sinners - does that make sin acceptable? I don't think so. The Bible says that a house that is divided cannot stand and there is way too much division in today's Christianity - including the "ex-gay movement". I am in some "gay" facebook groups as well and sometimes I am well reminded why people with same-sex attractions are drawn into that life... We all still have much to learn and I reach out to each and everyone - whether they like me/us or not. If we keep on fighting ourselves, we will not get anywhere. God told us to love and forgive one another, to bear each other's burden. Having said that, I forgive and ask for forgiveness and will do my best to love. Only then will we make the difference in this world.
Rob

The Distinctives of a Leader


Reaching Homosexuals with God's Love
By Tim Wilkins (Permission given to reprint; cite www.CrossMinistry.org)

I pulled the following from a sermon I preached years ago -modifying these nine “distinctives” for a leader in outreach to those with same-sex attractions.

President Dwight David Eisenhower, when he was serving as a General, used to demonstrate the art of leadership with a simple piece of string. He would place it on a table and say, “pull it and it will follow you wherever you wish, push it and it will go nowhere.”

1. A leader is an uncompromising individualist who cannot be bound by public opinion nor restrained by the sometimes over-cautious local church. He or she knows “uncompromising” does not mean “mean-spirited” or “rude.”

2. A leader is conscious of a divine call that holds him to the task set by God. Thus, he knows that “if he is easily swayed by men’s opinions, he should do anything but preach.” He also knows that calling homosexuality a sin is insufficient; he must proclaim the God who separates us from our sin “as far as the east is from the west.”

3. A leader is conscious of the privilege of access to the inner counsel of God, but a leader never “struts” into God’s presence. He does not speak FOR God; rather, God speaks THROUGH him.

4. A leader is usually a person of action with a certain ruggedness of body and character that commands attention in any gathering. But he understands that action never takes the place of unction and any attention he draws is simply Christ radiating through him - though God will surely depart from him if he happens to think “I am being righteous.”

5. A leader is conscious of God’s authority and backing in all emergencies. A leader stands alone against practically all his contemporaries. Consequently, he may be widely ridiculed or politely patronized by the very persons he hopes to lead to Christ.

6. A leader is definitely a man of prayer and communion with God - consecrated in life and character. He knows that if “the prayers of a righteous man are powerful and effective”, he also knows the prayers of an Unrighteous man are powerLESS and INeffective.

7. A leader is an outspoken critic of specific evils in the social order AND within the church. He knows that ranting about “what’s wrong among the world’s people” must be balanced with “what’s wrong among God’s people.”

8. A leader is God’s agent to reveal the future to the people. He is given peculiar insight into the will of God for the generations yet unborn. And no amount of “political correctness” or “uncomfortableness” with certain sins will deter him from the task. He knows there are no “clean sins.”

9. A leader knows “Consensus is the death of leadership.”

“Should we care about homosexuals?”

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Create a Caption
We recently asked you to write a caption for this cartoon - emphasizing
homosexuality from a redemptive perspective.  Here are some we received. 
Vote on your favorite caption or comment here.


“As we stand to sing ‘Throw out the life line’
let’s remember that homosexuals need a life line too.”

“If we don’t express Christian love to homosexuals, how will
they ever know the real thing?”

Pastor Bratwurst was taken back when, after quoting “and such were
some of you”, seventeen of his members jumped to their feet and
shouted “I’m one of those ‘some of you.’”

“Yes, God loves the homosexual just as he is...but God loves him too
much to let him stay that way.”

“If the Corinthian Church could love people out of homosexuality, why
can’t our church?”

“Faithful parishioners, we can not lead homosexual to Christ with a
clenched fist.”

“My dear people, Christian love needs to come out of the
closet.”

“After 20 years of prayer, I’ve come to the conclusion that my
ranting and raving about homosexuality is a deterrent to sharing Christ
with them.”

Half the congregation fainted when choir member Brother Bromide began his
testimony of having left homosexuality 32 years before. The other half of
the congregation died in their pews.

“After a vigorous debate during last week’s Deacons’
meeting, we have decided it is OK for you to mention your homosexual
friends in your prayer requests.”

“Our men’s ministry project for this month is witnessing
outside the Trade St gay bar.”

“What Did Jesus Really mean to love your neighbor as yourself?”

“If you don’t know what to say to a homosexual, try something
novel  - like listening.”

“This evening the ladies from the ‘Pushing 80 Sunday School
Class’ will tell us about their visit to the local AIDS
hospice.”

“Our own Horton Smellfungus will now share his testimony of freedom
from homosexuality as our organist softly plays ‘We’ve a story
to tell to the nation.’”

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We ask for and appreciate your prayerful and financial help!


Dr John R. W. Stott turns 87!

I (that's me on the right in my late 20's) met Dr. John Stott during a
seminary trip to London.  In this photo, Stott autographs my copy of his
book "Between Two Worlds: the art of preaching in the 20th century" -  a
classic.

Happy Birthday Dr. Stott!

 


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A partner of Cross Ministry writes

I have traveled a long journey through life with several careers and
lifestyles searching for the epitome of success with many mountains and
valleys.  With each mountain I felt I had reached it, YET, there was never
total fulfillment.  The hunger continued for satisfaction!  Money and
material things cease to satisfy my desires for happiness.
 
As a young child with great parents I started under their guidance on the
journey in the right direction.  However, in my teens I left the safety of
my parents and stepped into the "world" of fascination.  I would follow
that life's journey until I was in my sixties - when I found a void and
hunger in my soul that fame or fortune could not fulfill. 
 
Before my mother died I promised her I would make my journey back in the
right direction. It took me several years searching for the one thing that
could fill that void in my inner-being.
 
It was not until I moved to San Antonio and continued my search that I
happened upon the beginning of the mostamazing discovery in my entire
life.  I never knew that there was something so simple, yet complex, that
could consume my very being.  Giving me a total commitment that I will
hold to death takes me into the realm of eternal saturation of "LIGHT AND
SPIRIT"!
 
If you will just take a moment, I’d like to share that with you in a
song, not sung by me, but mirrors my  heart and soul.  This will be my
epitaph........

www.crossministry.org

 

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The Pit

A homosexual fell into a pit and couldn't get himself out.
A religious fundamentalist came along and said, "You deserve your pit."
A psychologist came along and said, "Accept your pit.  That way, you'll be
happy."
A religious liberal came along  and said, "Your pit is God's beautiful
gift to you."
A gay activist came along and said, "Fight for the right to stay in your
pit."
A researcher came along and said "Discrimination against pits is illegal."
A charismatic came along and said, "Just  confess that you're not in that
pit."
Respectable people came by and said, "We don't associate with
pit-dwellers."
The homosexual's mother came by and said, "It's your father's fault you're
in that pit."
The homosexual's father came by and said,"It's your mother's fault you're
in that pit."
The homosexual's wife came along and said, "It's all my fault you're in
that pit."

But Jesus, seeing the man, loved him, and reaching into the pit, put His
arms around  the man and pulled him out.